Should GC feminists stop associating with conservatives on topics in which they’re interests are aligned?

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[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Well I'm glad I can still entertain you.

Just because you personally see the world through lenses that are hyper-focused on masculinity and femininity doesn't mean everyone else does

Aren't we all hyper focused on gender here? Doesn't gender critical want to talk about masculinity and femininity?

From your posting history, I have the impression you don't have a clue what radical feminists, a lot of other women and many "GC" men think.

I've chatted with gc plenty times to know and respectfully report their opinions.

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Aren't we all hyper focused on gender here? Doesn't gender critical want to talk about masculinity and femininity?

No and no. People on the gender critical side are critical of gender, which we see as oppressive and limiting, and we are critical of gender ideology and genderism. Your side is the one that wants to talk about masculinity and femininity all the time, not us.

I personally find masculinity and femininity to be pretty boring - and being "hyper focused on gender" IMO leads to migraines, myopia and madness.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Not true, there are trans inclusive gender crits. We believe gender is unnecessary but that it is possible to have non-harmful versions of gender before it’s eventually abolished. Like people who don’t believe in marriage but aren’t militant about all of their friends divorced. Change takes time

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

What exactly is a non-harmful gender norm or role?

How can there be any sort of system that says x object/trait/aesthetic is for woman and y object/trait/aesthetic is for men that isn’t reductive and harmful?

[–]HeimdeklediROAR[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Those aren’t the sort of systems I’m talking about. It’s more like people having subjective associations with things due to instincts and socialization and using artificial labels to categorize things in a personal way while not assuming that others share the same definitions as you.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Literal word salad.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You don’t believe in psychological associations like smells to memory or stuff like that?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Of course I believe in memory and olfactory senses. Subjective associations and systems don’t have any effect on objective reality like one’s body. Personal systems of associations can still be wrong and based on sexism.