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[–]strictly 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I sometimes find it funny when for example American liberals vilify conservatives in more liberal countries as these conservatives might be more liberal than the American liberals criticizing them, conservative is a relative term. I also see a difference between collaboration in single issues and putting a group into power. If I was a politician I would for example have no problem voting against males participating in female sports and “help” people I otherwise disagree with outvoting the other side in this single issue, but I wouldn’t put my vote on a party I overall disagree with just because I agree with them on some trans related issues.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So do you think it’s possible to work with conservative politicians in one area without increasing their overall electability?

[–]strictly 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So do you think it’s possible to work with conservative politicians in one area without increasing their overall electability?

In some places being pro choice, pro same-sex marriage, pro democracy could be a conservative position, conservative fully depends on what what kind of values they want want to conserve, it’s a relative word. I think supporting values you agree with tend to increase the overall electability of these values, and I care about the actual values, not the label. If the so called "good guys" have homophobic values I can't vote on it will hopefully motivate them to become less homophobic in the future.

[–]HeimdeklediROAR[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You don’t worry about unintentional consequences of giving conservatives messaging that only sounds feminist but will actually lead to the enforcement of legal gender codes

[–]strictly 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When there are two options where one of them openly wants to create antifeminist/homophobic laws I take my chances with the option that isn’t regardless which option is labeled “woke”. Someone who openly wants to do bad things can have a hidden agenda of doing even worse things than they publicly admit so there is no reason to believe that voting on an openly bad position would be any safer regarding hidden agendas.