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[–]SnowAssMan[S] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

So if anti-feminists en masse started identifying as feminists, then defanged feminism from inside, ostracised all the feminists from the movement for "kink-shaming", & used the movement to promote patriarchal norms under the guise of feminism, they'd just be "validating" feminism?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

No, feminism isn’t something people can identify into. Gender is.

A bunch of fools “identifying” as feminists and selling porn didn’t make them feminists.

Don’t be ridiculous. The cointelpro shit is just..you can’t really think what you’ve suggested is anything like that? We aren’t playing spies here.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

A bunch of fools “identifying” as feminists and selling porn didn’t make them feminists.

But that's the point that I was making. Nowadays words speak louder than actions. If TRAs can't respect the meanings of words like 'feminism', why should we respect words like 'transgender'?

We aren’t playing spies here.

Translation: we aren't on the winning team here.

Lobbyists infiltrate both major political parties, that way no matter what the election outcome, the corporate party wins. This strategy has been proven time & time again as a winning strategy. So spare me the weak excuses. What's the real reason you're against GC people infiltrating the trans movement?

[–]BiologyIsReal 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

But that's the point that I was making. Nowadays words speak louder than actions. If TRAs can't respect the meanings of words like 'feminism', why should we respect words like 'transgender'?

Sorry, but I'm old-school and I think actions speak louder than words. Imo, the best defense against such liars is exposing the truth. I call nonsense when local politicians pretend to care about poverty in spite of them keep pushing for the same old economic receipts that only work for making them and their friends richer. I call nonsense when local politicians push for economic austerity under the excuse of attracting foreing investement when they have all their money abroad. I call nonsense when local politicians pretend to be democratic despite having ties to the dictatorships. I laugh at western Media and politicians pretending to be outraged by war just now despite all the wars they have supported or waged. I find completely absurd the US wants to held Russia accountable for war crimes despite not only all their own war crimes, but the fact the US have worked hard for not being held accountable in the International Criminal Court.

If anything, it would be incoherent on my part not to call out the "feminists" who push for the legal erasure of sex or the legalization of prostitution.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I agree with all of that. Of course actions speak louder than words. Problem is most people don't realise that a substantial number of people go by the reverse. A way to expose that is to beat them at their own game.

A lot of people are against the church being tax-exempt, bc it makes it easier for cults to spring up about the place. If enough businesses just claimed to be churches, the short-term benefits would be: not having to pay taxes for a while, while in the longterm you'd be drawing attention to the issue. What's the issue you have with this tactic?

I was reading Kathleen Stock's book, but the problem I found with it was that all the terminology is created by TRAs & so simply using the same terms already half-promotes transgenderism, by half-legitimising it. It's difficult to argue against an ideology without creating a whole new nomenclature, which you'd have to then convince everyone to agree with. So I think the conventional RadFem way to oppose transgenderism can somewhat backfire. If you infiltrate it, you can help decay it from the inside.

[–]one1won 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

From July 2021, FYI, referring to Stock:

she distances herself from “certain trends within feminism,” namely radical and gender-critical feminisms while taking issue with their “modern activism” (239). She hopes “for a better activism in the future”

And, about Stocks position:

sadly it is largely conformist to a reactionary politics.

See also the comments on the quoted review of Stock’s book. here: https://savageminds.substack.com/p/immaterial-girls

Women are not monolithic. Not every woman is a feminist, not every feminist is a Radfem. I read your comment as assuming Stock speaks as, or for, Radfems. Many women are refusing to say “cis” or “trans”, as there is no such thing outside the science of chemistry.

And, no. Infiltration is not the way for women. Detrans and Desisters are more likely to prove deleterious to the GII movement. But it’ll take time; some people do wisen up with life experience.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Not all GC feminists are radical feminists either.

Do you think GC feminists identifying as desisters or detrains would be a better tactic then?

[–]one1won 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You seem really attracted to lying, what’s up with that?

Meaning, No. “Self ID” scam is BS.