GC: Why don't you get your gender identity legally changed?

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[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

Have you done it? Have you changed your markers on your ID?

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

In the county that I'm in right now it costs about 2K bucks to get gender legally changed & this law hasn't been updated for decades. It certainly isn't as woke of a country that the majority of English-speaking countries are. I plan to move to the UK at some point, at which point I will most certainly be changing my gender legally. It's the only legal way to "boycott" gender identity laws, by giving them a taste of their own medicine. I asked on here if me doing so would be good or bad for feminism, the response was a unanimous: good for feminism.

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

I plan to move to the UK at some point, at which point I will most certainly be changing my gender legally. It's the only legal way to "boycott" gender identity laws, by giving them a taste of their own medicine

So you plan to move to the UK and obtain legal residency there with the intent to engage in actions you hope and believe will undermine and make a mockery of current British law and the UK government's official administrative procedures? Be sure to let the immigration officials at the Home Office know.

Most of the world's governments seek to grant legal residency only to persons from foreign lands who are willing to abide by its laws, and are willing to make a declaration saying they will do so. But I am sure that when you tell British officials that you've arrived on their shores with the plan of

giving them a taste of their own medicine

They'll welcome you in with open arms. But just to be on the safe side, you might want to add that you plan to try to disrupt Parliament and will spend a lot of your time slagging off Great Britain on social media too. That way, you'll be in like Flynn.

Also, please enlighten us as to why you think you have the right "to move to the UK" and obtain legal indefinite leave to remain so that you could get British identity documents. Exactly which specific criteria for settlement in the UK do you meet under British law? Or are you planning to tell British government authorities that you've decided to "boycott" their immigration laws just as you aim to "boycott" their gender identity laws?

https://www.gov.uk/indefinite-leave-to-remain

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/uk-visas-and-immigration

Thanks for demonstrating that the attitude of male arrogance and disregard for other people's boundaries that has led to so much intrusivity today doesn't just apply to blokes who believe they have the right to identify into the female sex class; to invade and stake claim on female sports, spaces and services; and to deny female people our basic rights. Some blokes regard entire foreign countries as their own personal domains too, so much so that it never occurs to them that nations are supposed to be the ones to decide which foreigners they let onto their soil and grant residency to. Those who understand and respect borders and boundaries know it's not supposed to be up to foreign interlopers with brass necks just to barge in on other nations' turf and say "I've moved here and live here now because this is where I wanna be."

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I'm not a foreigner, so your tangent was a waste of time.

You're being inconsistent. I asked you what you thought about GC men identifying as trans & you said:

"Go for it. When Zuby identified as a woman so he could break the women's world record in weightlifting, he got a lot of mileage out of it and seemed to bring attention to the issue. Graham Lineham identified as a woman and a lesbian on a dating app to bring attention to all the "transbians" doing that"

https://saidit.net/s/GCdebatesQT/comments/8qwr/gc_should_gc_men_identify_as_transgender_to/wfm8

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

How am I being inconsistent? Some time ago, you asked what others here thought about you claiming to be a woman/trans as some other men had done. I said "go for it."

Now you've come back months later to announce that you in your snowmanly wisdom have decided that feminist "GC" women should claim to be trans too because for some reason that isn't clear to me (nor to anyone else it seems) you are of the opinion that

If all GC feminists identified as transgender that would cause a major upset within transgenderism.

But since no GC feminists here said "yes boss man, brilliant idea, we'll get right on that," you're now berating women as bad feminists for not following your orders. LOL.

This is sorta like my kids asking if I think they should clean their bedrooms and I say "go for it," and hours later they come back to pester me, "Mom, why haven't you cleaned our rooms yet? When are you gonna hop to and start the hoovering?" And when I say, "I never said I'd clean your room, I said 'yes, go for it' when you asked if I thought you should clean your rooms," they start telling me I'm a crap mother for not cleaning their rooms and that I contradict myself besides.

As for the UK bit: if you're already a citizen or legal resident of the UK and you have UK-issued ID documents, then I don't understand why you would say

I plan to move to the UK at some point, at which point I will most certainly be changing my gender legally.

Coz when people are already citizens or legal residents of the UK, most wouldn't say "I plan to move to the UK at some point." They'd say something more along the lines of, "I plan to return to the UK at some point," or "I plan to resume residence in the UK again at some point." But maybe something is getting lost in translation due to my own USA-version of English. Like the saying goes, the British and Americans are "two peoples divided by a common language."

That aside, if you are a UK citizen or legal resident already, there's no need to wait until you return there to get your gender changed legally. You can change your gender by deed poll online, or by making a statutory declaration.

https://www.ngalaw.co.uk/knowledge-centre/changing-your-name-and-gender-marker-in-the-uk

This company will provide and fill out the paperwork for you to change your gender by deed poll for £18:

https://deedpolloffice.com/apply

https://deedpolloffice.com/change-name/changing-your-gender#:~:text=You%20can%20use%20a%20change,the%20rest%20of%20your%20life.

Also, the whole process for getting a Gender Recognition Certificate in the UK is done by mail, so presumably it's possible for British citizens and residents living abroad to get a GRC. It just involves sending in an application. No personal appearance is required.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/995305/t451-eng.pdf

So rather than waste your time whingeing that women won't do as you tell us to, maybe your energies would be better spent putting your money where your mouth is by getting cracking on those UK gender change applications. Like you said before, that's the best way of

giving them a taste of their own medicine

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

What would you be losing if you did it though? Answer: your "gender identity", which you acknowledge is nothing. But the fact that you're unwilling to lose it, suggests that gender identification is not as insubstantial as GC feminists claim. I'm not telling you to do it, I'm trying to spur on some introspection. I'm asking why don't (in general & in the past) GC feminists get their gender legally changed?

Thanks for the links, you've saved my a step. But I'm still not going to change it until I move to the UK (I've never properly lived there, hence why I didn't say "move back", so I haven't got an official "place of residence" yet). I have every intention of "putting my money where my mouth is" & as soon as I do, trust me, you'll hear about it. But as you said, it won't change your mind since I'm male & your female. For the record, I have no trouble acknowledging that male transitioners gain a hell of a lot more credence than female ones, however, that doesn't mean there is no political leverage to be gained by GC women en masse changing their gender. I firmly believe that if there had been a bunch of Lauren Southerns doing it in Canada, they'd be able to draw more attention to the issue.

P.S. I think it's totally legitimate for someone to point out the hypocrisy of someone with a messy room telling others to clean theirs, see: Jordan Peterson.

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm not "unwilling to lose" my "gender identity," LOL. I don't have a gender identity! Stop telling me and others here that we do have gender identities. And FFS, man, stop telling women what to do.

You are trying to make it seem that the only reason feminists here are not compliantly rushing off to change the sex markers on our passports, driver's licenses, medical records, birth certificates and such the way you have decided we all should do in order to bring down transgenderism is that despite what we say, in our heart of hearts we really do all secretly have gender identities - and we are so wedded to our gender identities that we can't bear to part with them.

When, in fact, the reason no GC feminists here are jumping up and doing as you have decreed we must is that we find your idea unimpressive, without merit and think it would be a pointless, performative waste of time. Plus, we resent the officious, pompous, bossy way you have issued your diktat from on high.

Me, I personally think your idea is moronic, silly and puerile. You are free to call your idea a grand "strategy" and to believe that will strike a blow against transgenderism and cause the whole movement to crumble, but others are free to think your idea is a dumb brain fart that belongs in the bin.

P.S. I think it's totally legitimate for someone to point out the hypocrisy of someone with a messy room telling others to clean theirs, see: Jordan Peterson.

Huh? In the scenario I gave, I wasn't telling my kids to clean their bedrooms; I simply said yes when they asked me if I thought they should clean their bedrooms. Also, where do you get off suggesting I'm the one "with a messy room"?

Given your user name, I would've have thought that you understood the old adage "when you assume you make an ass out of u and me" but like so much else, the meaning of that little nugget seems beyond your grasp.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't believe I have a gender identity in the transgender sense, hence why I have no problem getting it changed, you say have no problem with me getting it changed either. But you seem to have a problem with getting yours changed. The reasons you give: it's silly, puerile, moronic. Inconsistent. So you're being disingenuous. Whatever the real reason is you're unwilling to give it, inexplicably.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

He seriously seems to think that he has single handedly solved sexism if only these stupid uppity women would listen and do what he says, without even a hint of irony. Male feminist poster child.

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He also seems convinced that he's endowed with either omniscience or magical mind-reading skills, and as a result he knows what women on this sub - and women generally - really think and feel, which is the opposite of what we say.

In his view, feminists, female users of this sub and women generally are all either a) so stupid and lacking in self-awareness that don't know our own minds and hearts, or b) just plain liars who can't be trusted to tell the truth about anything, not even about our own "lived experience" and innermost thoughts. Typical brogressive.