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[–]BiologyIsReal 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Is this a joke? Why on Earth would I want to contribute to spreading chaos even further than TRAs are already doing? As for the supposed, privileges... Please, we all can see how females who identify as trans are talked over by the males all the time. At the end of the day even the most ardent believer of transgenderism knows who is a man and who is a woman.

And for the last time, I do NOT have a "gender identity". You act as obnoxious as QT every single time you insist I have one.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

And for the last time, I do NOT have a "gender identity". You act as obnoxious as QT every single time you insist I have one.

In this post I am using the transgenderist definition of "gender identity", which I don't believe anyone has, however, I do find it odd how attached some people are to their "gender identity". Whenever I incorrectly assume a woman's gender online (I mistake them for a guy) they are quick to correct me, even when it's irrelevant to the the short, transient exchange. This is baffling to me. You open yourself up to sexist abuse online if you're a woman, but whenever there is an opening to experience just the tinniest bit of male privilege for once, they shut it down. People seem to be very protective of this part of their identity, even when it makes no sense to, even to their own detriment.

Lauren Southern is the only trans-skeptic I know of who mocked transgender identity by legally identifying as trans. I just wonder why she was the only one. It seems to suggest there is something to the idea of gender identification. Do you think that LS spread "chaos"?

[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I do find it odd how attached some people are to their "gender identity". Whenever I incorrectly assume a woman's gender online (I mistake them for a guy) they are quick to correct me, even when it's irrelevant to the the short, transient exchange. This is baffling to me. You open yourself up to sexist abuse online if you're a woman, but whenever there is an opening to experience just the tinniest bit of male privilege for once, they shut it down. People seem to be very protective of this part of their identity, even when it makes no sense to, even to their own detriment.

You are confusing sex and gender identity here. In the situations you describe, you are not mistakenly assuming the women's gender or gender identities, you are mistakenly assuming their sex.

Sex is an immutable and essential characteristic that is physical, objectively observable, evident to all - and which has an enormous impact on a person's "lived experience," especially for those human beings whose sex is female. Sex is material reality. It's not a feeling, a self-perception or a vague, indefinable, immaterial inner sense and matter of choice like "gender" or "gender identity" are.

When you assume that strangers on the internet are male, you are showing that you believe being male is the human default setting, the norm and the ideal. Which is sexist, misogynistic and male supremacist. It's a sign that you are arrogantly taking for granted that what is true of your own individual self must be true of everyone else. This tends to rub women the wrong way because most of us find it inherently insulting. Just like most people find it obnoxious and insulting when others we deal with online make assumptions about our sexual orientation, race/ethnicity, age, nationality, country of origin, native language, physical health status and so on.

When you automatically assume women who are unknown to you must be your same sex, you are not offering us the opportunity

to experience just the tinniest [sic] bit of male privilege for once

You are demonstrating your own male privilege - in spades and in a booming, resonant way that comes through loud and clear.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Online users often assume that I am female all the time based on what I'm saying. The only reason people on here don't is bc my username ends in "Man". Often women online will use their real name & picture for some reason & when they fill out the form to make their account, they put their real birth date too. Men generally try to remain anonymous. So when I see an anonymous/androgynous username & pfp in a Youtube comment section & the content of their comments seems like a guy posted it, at that point I'll assume it's a guy. I'd say I'm right 99% of the time, but there is no way of confirming it. Nothing to do with male as the default in this case, more to do with experience with trends.

There is no reason to be "female" online. If you create a masculine username & pfp then you haven't changed your sex, but you have changed people's perception of it (which is what transgender identity comes down to: being treated like the opposite sex, hence why I referred to this as "gender identity"). This would only benefit many women online, yet they'd still prefer to be recognised as female, regardless of the cost. Why is that? It seems to suggest to me that there is something substantive to "gender identification", that keeps people attached to theirs even when given the opportunity to be unsexed/cross-sexed arises.

Your go-to is personal attacks, which makes me think you aren't confident in your argumentation.

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I'd say I'm right 99% of the time

You don't have to tell us this. It's clear from your posting history. LOL. Sorry I couldn't resist.

Your go-to is personal attacks, which makes me think you aren't confident in your argumentation.

You got me, mate. I never ever discuss policy, theory, law, history, biology, culture, language... I just launch personal attacks.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sorry, I was mixing you up with BiR. Her go-to is to make it personal. You don't do it as often, but here you were casting aspersions.

I think my point in my previous reply still stands. Transgender identity is simply expecting everyone to treat them as if they were the opposite sex. Identifying as male in online forums, when you're female, is the equivalent of that. The fact that most women are protective of their female gender identification online, despite the negative & lack of positive consequences, seems to indicate that there may be something to transgender identification that makes it more substantial than the mere "nothing" that its lack of perceptibility & explicitly would suggest.