GC: What is wrong with trans people working in sexual violence prevention?

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[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

You keep telling us how women (the kind that produces large gametes, you know) do NOT have a right to single-sex spaces, and yet here you are saying consent is important for queer theory. I mean, really?

Those are cis women. You can say the category.

Do you think Lia Thomas, who is sexually atracted to women, cares about consent went he exposes his intact male genitalia in the changing rooms despite the female swimmers have made clear their disconfort? Do you think the university staff care about consent when they tell the women to get over their disconfort?

Lia Thomas is a she. Anyway, if the cis female swimmers are uncomfortable changing around her, they should change in private. For this very reason locker rooms should have stalls instead of having everyone change out in the open. That way no one's genitalia is exposed. I just don't understand how changing in front of people you don't know became normalized. Just because someone is the same sex as you doesn't make it OK.

QTs are not against boundaries, we just have a different idea of boundaries than GCs. For instance, we think its harassment for a cis woman to tell a random trans woman in a restroom she doesn't belong. Since restrooms are separated by stalls, you already have all the privacy. I know the argument that a trans woman may implant a camera, which cis women are also capable of doing, but you can't ban someone from a public place because they might commit a crime. It doesn't work that way.

QTs feel trans women are women and trans men are men. Most QTs believe however no one is owed sex and rapists should be prosecuted. That's what I meant when I said queer theorists are not about breaking boundaries.

[–]BiologyIsReal 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Those are cis women. You can say the category.

"Cis" imply that someone believe in sex-based stereotypes and they conform to the stereotypes and roles expected from their sex (the biological category, you know?). I don't know what Thomas' female teammates really think about these issues, but I think is a safe bet they are likely very aware about the phisiological differences beetween Thomas and them, and how they are treated very different by society.

Lia Thomas is a she.

Please, tell us how do you know Thomas is a "woman". Is the way his swimsuit highlight his very obviously male body? Is the sport dominance that nowadays he shows by winning and breaking records in the pool despite that he was a mediocre athlete when he competed with fellow men? Is the penis he exposes to his teammates in the changing rooms? Is the fact he is guity of exhibiotionism and vouyerism, two crimes that are mostly commited by males? Is the way he can get away with it like most men do? Is the way the Media, the university, and sport authorities keep choosing to defend him over the women affected by his actions inside and outside the pool? Is the way his female teammates feel they can't publicly speak out under their own name? Is the way society expects women to coddle him even when is against their own interest? Is the way his critics have to preface their arguments saying they respect his "identity" and that he is not to blame about what is happening? Is the way even critical Media uses feminine pronouns to describe this man?

I'm being serius here, genderbender, why do you think this man is any sort of "woman"? Is all because he SAYS he is a "woman"? Is that enough to qualify as a one? Do you not only believe that some men are really "women", but men are unable to lie about their "gender identity?

QTs are not against boundaries, we just have a different idea of boundaries than GCs. For instance, we think its harassment for a cis woman to tell a random trans woman in a restroom she doesn't belong. Since restrooms are separated by stalls, you already have all the privacy. I know the argument that a trans woman may implant a camera, which cis women are also capable of doing, but you can't ban someone from a public place because they might commit a crime. It doesn't work that way.

QTs feel trans women are women and trans men are men. Most QTs believe however no one is owed sex and rapists should be prosecuted. That's what I meant when I said queer theorists are not about breaking boundaries.

Do you want I give you again those links showing how trans identified males (aka "transwomen") retain male patterns of criminality and how unisex restrooms are more dangerous for women?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

"Cis" imply that someone believe in sex-based stereotypes and they conform to the stereotypes and roles expected from their sex (the biological category, you know?).

Cis means someone primarily identifies with their birth sex. For instance, if you were born female and identify as a woman, you would be considered a cis woman. You don't have to conform to any stereotypes and roles. You can have short hair, wear ties, work long hours in construction and prefer video games instead of shopping at the mall, and still be considered cis.

I don't know what Thomas' female teammates really think about these issues, but I think is a safe bet they are likely very aware about the phisiological differences beetween Thomas and them, and how they are treated very different by society.

This is why we use terms like cis and trans when relevant.

Please, tell us how do you know Thomas is a "woman". Is the way his swimsuit highlight his very obviously male body?

Thomas prefers she/her pronouns and we should respect that.

Is the penis he exposes to his teammates in the changing rooms? Is the fact he is guity of exhibiotionism and vouyerism, two crimes that are mostly commited by males?

If other women are not allowed to expose their genitalia, then neither should she. If that’s the case, she should absolutely be charged with exhibitionism and voyeurism. If the other women are allowed to expose their genitalia, why can’t she? Genitalia is genitalia, regardless if it's a penis, vagina or something ambiguous.

Is the way even critical Media uses feminine pronouns to describe this man?

Many people including myself would not read/watch media and outlets that use the wrong pronouns for people.

I'm being serius here, genderbender, why do you think this man is any sort of "woman"? Is all because he SAYS he is a "woman"? Is that enough to qualify as a one?

Yes.

Do you want I give you again those links showing how trans identified males (aka "transwomen") retain male patterns of criminality and how unisex restrooms are more dangerous for women?

Again, you can't ban someone from a place because they might commit a crime or because of what demographic they belong to.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Genitalia is genitalia, regardless if it's a penis, vagina or something ambiguous.

This is super surprising to me. Is this really how you feel? Having a penis in a space where I am undressed or changing clothes would make me very uncomfortable. Has it happened to you? Also, how would the trans person be comfortable doing that? I have some experience with this because I had a penis for part of my life. Never in a million years would I have felt comfortable exposing it to someone, anyone, even sexual partners if I could avoid it. This is because I had dysphoria and it made me tremendously uncomfortable being there to the point I could become physically sick if I had to expose myself, even at a doctor’s for instance. Why is this person seemingly fine exposing themselves this way, as a trans person? I guess I do feel like if you aren’t dysphoric then, whatever is happening with you is something I guess, but you aren’t trans and shouldn’t be hiding behind that. It just seems like creeping to me.