How much do we owe to strangers?

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[–]BiologyIsReal 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Sex is the sex you identify, present and pass as. If a trans man was on T for a couple of years, had top and bottom surgery, presents and passes as a man then he can go to a gay orgy or gay sauna.

So, would you tell this hypothetical "transman" to get her prostate checked (even though she doesn't have one)? Could this "transman" get a woman pregnant?

And what about animals? How does sex work in animals? Do they get to choose which sex they "identify as"? Could there be such a thing as a milking bull, for example?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

Most trans men prefer he/him pronouns so I suggest you use that. To answer your question, I wouldn't tell a trans man to get his prostate checked because he doesn't have a prostate. I am aware of the difference between biological sex and gender identity, I just don't think biological sex is relevant outside the medical and reproductive context. For instance, I don't believe spaces like bathrooms and changing rooms should be segregated by sex. I don't think birth sex should determine what pronouns we should use for a pronoun and what words should someone use to describe their sexual orientation. A trans woman can totally be a lesbian and a cis woman and a trans man in a relationship can characterize their relationship and their sexual orientations as straight. Animals can't form their own identities.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

What is the benefit to society in pretending that sex is irrelevant to things like crime stats when sex is heavily correlated to violent crime?

What is the end goal of telling homosexuals their sexuality is wrong and must be based on gender instead?

What problems are solved by forcing people to pretend their perceptions are inaccurate and that sexual dimorphism in humans went away?

How about the fact that most lesbians hate being told they should accept males in their dating pools? How about most gay men do not like being told to touch a vagina? How about most women with a preference for short hair and masculine clothing prefer not to be asked if they are men?

Why do these preferences not matter but it matters when a woman wants us to redefine the words woman and man to suit her?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

What is the benefit to society in pretending that sex is irrelevant to things like crime stats when sex is heavily correlated to violent crime?

If someone commits a crime, they committed a crime. Their sex doesn't matter and shouldn't determine how horrible the crime is.

What is the end goal of telling homosexuals their sexuality is wrong and must be based on gender instead?

Most people are not telling homosexuals their sexuality is wrong. If you're not attracted to trans people, that's 100% fine.

What problems are solved by forcing people to pretend their perceptions are inaccurate and that sexual dimorphism in humans went away?

Sexual dimorphism is only relevant in medical, reproductive and sometimes dating contexts because some people don't want to date trans people. Otherwise sex is not relevant.

How about the fact that most lesbians hate being told they should accept males in their dating pools?

If a cis lesbian is at a lesbian meetup and a trans lesbian approaches her to ask her out and the cis lesbian rejects her, that's totally fine. She can reject the other woman for any reason she wants, even if the reason is solely because the other woman is trans. In most situations like this the trans person accepts the rejection and doesn't ask again.

How about most gay men do not like being told to touch a vagina?

I don't think straight men like to be told to touch a vagina. I'm sure if I asked random straight dudes to touch my vagina they wouldn't be pleases.

How about most women with a preference for short hair and masculine clothing prefer not to be asked if they are men?

Then they shouldn't be asked. I use pronouns based on someone's appearance unless I know that person prefers different pronouns.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

It shouldn’t matter that over 90% of perpetrators of violent and sexual crimes are male? What the actual fuck? How does that not matter?

I’m starting to think you don’t understand safeguarding on any level gb.

This is like saying we shouldn’t have shark nets or lifeguards or know where sharks congregate. We should all just swim until someone is eaten, then be mad at the shark.

We might as well do away with background checks and hire sexual offenders in schools.

All tra that says transwomen are lesbians and transmen are gay men are redefining homosexuality for homosexual people. It cannot be more clearly explained to you without having to resort to some very explicit images I’d rather not have to get.

It’s not about being approached once, that’s such bullshit. It’s about homosexual people being told day in day out by this stupid little tra movement that homosexuality is wrong and they should just try sleeping with the opposite sex instead of being a big gay bigot.

You cannot be this silly, I think you must be deliberately being as obtuse as possible in order to avoid some very obvious truths that you don’t want to think about.

I’m gonna drop it with you again and hopefully you’ll start answering questions in a genuine and intellectually honest way. This is just the silliest, most disingenuous pile of garbage.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

It shouldn’t matter that over 90% of perpetrators of violent and sexual crimes are male? What the actual fuck? How does that not matter?

Those are gender differences and yes they do matter.

I’m starting to think you don’t understand safeguarding on any level gb.

This is like saying we shouldn’t have shark nets or lifeguards or know where sharks congregate. We should all just swim until someone is eaten, then be mad at the shark.

Where exactly did I say I am against safeguarding? Being against sex-segregated spaces ≠ being against safeguarding.

We might as well do away with background checks and hire sexual offenders in schools.

GC logic says we should only background check male applicants, or at least subject them to more intense scrutiny.

All tra that says transwomen are lesbians and transmen are gay men are redefining homosexuality for homosexual people. It cannot be more clearly explained to you without having to resort to some very explicit images I’d rather not have to get.

Trans women attracted to other women are lesbians and trans men attracted to other men are gay men.

It’s not about being approached once, that’s such bullshit. It’s about homosexual people being told day in day out by this stupid little tra movement that homosexuality is wrong and they should just try sleeping with the opposite sex instead of being a big gay bigot.

The movement as a whole is not doing this.

[–]Juniperius 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The movement as a whole is not doing this.

HAAAHAHAAHAHAAAHA HA HA hahaha

I dare you to make an account on any dating app, set it to "women seeking women," and mention in your profile that you're not interested in dating transwomen. Put it in the politest, most validating words you can come up with. Then come tell us how it went after a few days (or a few death threats, whichever is first).

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Give it a rest. You didn’t make a single point or rebuttal here. You just deny it or repeat baseless claims.

Please go away until you learn how to form an argument better than “nuh-uh!!”