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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (49 children)

Im very well aware that Reddit is not a representative of the whole population lmao

Im saying you can see for yourself, even in data, like the data you linked that proves my point, whatever you want to use, be they comments or polls, most people are gc when it comes down to it.

There are plenty of gender critical style videos on YouTube. They just don’t use the phrase gender critical because they know not to or they don’t even know the term. To act as if you can’t find any gc views on YouTube is ridiculous.

We get vilified because trans people know they can attack and vilify women. Plenty of men are outright disgusted my trans people or make fun of them or just don’t agree and they aren’t getting death and rape threats. The only difference is that they are men. They are saying the same shit as radfems. It’s absurd to pretend this isn’t true when it’s out there to hear, read and see. The fact that you have to ask a sub to clean up because the men there say things you don’t like is not proving you’re right- it’s proving you’re wrong.

Nobody, generally speaking, gives a fuck about you trying to be a dictator lol. You think it means anything to the general public that some rando is preaching to them? Tras bitch and moan all day every day and will continue to do so because it’s not working. The rest of us don’t care, it’s just that some of us will be polite and pretend it’s not ridiculous to call a man she/her or a woman he/him.

You just said Reddit doesn’t represent the population so idk why you think it matters that it’s run by tras and they banned some subs. They banned those subs because they were offended by what people who aren’t tras think.

Once again- you just prove my point for me. It’s like we’re a team.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (48 children)

Im very well aware that Reddit is not a representative of the whole population lmao

What I meant is the best way to find out what the general population thinks about something is to survey a large number of random people. You said "Everything doesn’t have to be studies and statistics" even though studies and statistics are the most accurate.

Im saying you can see for yourself, even in data, like the data you linked that proves my point, whatever you want to use, be they comments or polls, most people are gc when it comes down to it.

I know the link I posted says support for trans rights slightly decreased in 2 years. However you said what I want is what an "incredibly small portion of the population wants" do directly quote you. I posted the link to prove that’s not the case. 54.5% is not an "incredibly small portion of the population." Also, every poll poll I found has one thing in common. Women are more likely to be supportive of trans rights than men.

There are plenty of gender critical style videos on YouTube. They just don’t use the phrase gender critical because they know not to or they don’t even know the term. To act as if you can’t find any gc views on YouTube is ridiculous.

I know there are GC videos on YouTube. However, many major sites banned GC views.

We get vilified because trans people know they can attack and vilify women. Plenty of men are outright disgusted my trans people or make fun of them or just don’t agree and they aren’t getting death and rape threats.

Men who are anti-trans aren't popular either. Ben Shapiro is not popular among Americans including Jews like me. Men on r/AskGayBros have been called TERFs when they said something transphobic. When I use the term TERF, I include men.

Tras bitch and moan all day every day and will continue to do so because it’s not working.

Then why have most major websites banned GC views, including GC men?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (47 children)

The surveys say the same thing the comments say. I’ve already addressed this. Your own link shows this.

It keeps getting lower because more people are informing themselves and/or likely getting tired of tras. We’ve covered this. Several times, on several posts.

Major sites may ban gc views (which sites, btw? I see them everywhere all the time), but they have to close comment sections or delete many comments to avoid people viewing their sites from sharing gc views.

Ben Shapiro’s popularity depends on who you ask. And Reddit is run by tras and transmen constantly harass the men on AGB so of course the men there being honest get called transphobic/TERFS, it’s Reddit, It’s like the trans hub of the internet lol. The actual men on AGB aren’t calling each other transphobes, transmen who are salty that actual gay men don’t want them are.

The sites are banned to coddle your trans buddies. As I’ve said, the opinions of the rest of the world are there to see despite the banning. The fact that people still find ways to make their comments and express their opposition when your masters try so hard to silence any dissent is telling. You can go on and on about how a community that mostly clings to online forums because the world doesn’t accept them controls a lot of online forums… who cares? Irl, nobody gaf about what tras are bitching about and we have lives outside of the internet so it’s not as big of a deal to not be able to speak freely everywhere online, we speak freely amongst ourselves (and still find ways to do it online- you keep ignoring the point about there being content and comments all over that lean gc, despite your points)

Why even bother banning sites and trying to control narratives (like how tras told us all not to read jkr’s letter or watch Chappelle’s specials- they told us to just listen to their opinions on both of these)? If you have to go to such lengths to silence others, it comes across as if you are afraid of what’s being said/you think it’s harmful. It can only be harmful if many others agree with it.

The banning and silencing proves nothing but that tras know they are full of shit and narcissism and don’t want others to be able to point it out.

And yet, despite your points that you think prove something meaningful- approval rates for the trans community continues to drop. Support in general for trans people continues to drop, even if slowly. I’m not sure how you think that means people are on your side.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (46 children)

Major sites may ban gc views (which sites, btw? I see them everywhere all the time), but they have to close comment sections or delete many comments to avoid people viewing their sites from sharing gc views.

Reddit banned all the gender critical subs in 2020. Ovarit has a circle called o/Cancelled where they talk about people being banned from sites for expressing GC views. Just today on the circle you will find posts about Exulansics YouTube and Twitter account terminated and Tumblr blocking content with tags including "radfem", "misogyny", "sexism", "gender critical" and "girl" on iOS.

And Reddit is run by tras and transmen constantly harass the men on AGB so of course the men there being honest get called transphobic/TERFS, it’s Reddit, It’s like the trans hub of the internet lol. The actual men on AGB aren’t calling each other transphobes, transmen who are salty that actual gay men don’t want them are.

Trans men are not harassing cis men on r/AskGayBros. The problem is when trans men post or when there is any discussion about trans men, the cis men on the sub (not all though) claim that trans men aren't men, that they are women, that cis men who are attracted to trans men have to be bisexual and not monosexual gay men. Some users say they and other cis gay men aren't attracted to trans men because they are homosexual, even though being attracted to trans men doesn't make you less gay. It's totally fine not to be attracted to trans people personally. Trans men are "actual men" and men who are attracted to other men have the right to be in gay spaces like r/AskGayBros. For the most part part I haven't seen trans men harass anyone on the sub.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (44 children)

Reddit banned gc subs… yet gc leaning comments are allover Reddit. That’s kinda my whole point… you constantly repeating that a forum run by tras banned gc subs isn’t really a point. We all know, that’s literally why we are here- yet comments tras dislike are still allover reddit despite the bans. I honestly don’t know how else to explain this? What are you not understanding?

Sure, you can point out specific bans, but what about the actual comments from thousands of users on all of these forums? Why are you ignoring this?

The gay men on AGB are pretty clear about hating the posts from transmen ans are clear on how they feel about transmen in general. I don’t think it’s your place to say they aren’t being harassed if that’s the sentiment they’ve expressed. They don’t always use the word harass, but it’s clear they hate when transmen make their desperate posts.

If that’s “the problem”, you have yet again proven my point for me. Despite the bans and restrictions and constant bitching, gay men are still saying the same shit.

And again, for what must be the hundredth time: can you site proof that transmen are men? If not, it’s pretty reckless and disingenuous to claim that they are. It’s pretty clear that the men on AGB don’t see them as such… which… has been my point this whole time lmao

Eta: “would you date me?” “Why won’t you date me?” “You’re awful if you don’t date me!” “Here’s why you should consider dating me” Over and over and over again despite them making it clear that they hate those posts (and making the answer pretty fucking clear several times) is kind of harassment. If a man did that to a woman you’d know it was harassment, odd that you don’t see it because the harassers are trans

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (43 children)

I haven't seen much harassment on that sub. There are sometimes posts about trans men. There was a post asking users if they would date an AFAB enby who was male presenting. I see nothing wrong with that post. There are also posts once in a while that gay men should date X group or they are awful, etc. Those are not OK either. Unfortinately the mod is extremely lenient and doesn't remove those kind of posts.

However frequently on that sub gay cis men are telling gay trans men they are female even though they aren't or saying men do not have vaginas. Most men don't have vaginas but some do. r/ActualLesbians doesn't tolerate this kind of transphobia, why should AGB? If I were a mod there, I would ban any post that would be more appropriate for gender critical or LGBdroptheT. I asked the Reddit admins to add a trans man as a mod.

[–]Juniperius 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (39 children)

Who the heck are you to tell r/AskGayBros how they should be modding their sub?!? You are not gay, nor a man, not by the real definitions and not by the TRA definitions. You think you have the right to invade the space of a marginalized community and insist that they should only be gay the way you, a heterosexual, think is an appropriate way to be gay? WTF is wrong with you?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (38 children)

In 2020, Reddit banned all the GC subs. Yet despite this, r/AskGayBros continues to be a platform for transphobic content. I do think if they explicitly banned trans men they would have also been banned.

I am well aware (cis) gay men are a marginalized group. Trans men are also a marginalized group. If the sub was saying things that are racist to black gay men, I'd call it out. If the sub said anti-Semitic thinks to gay Jews, I'd call it out. In this case, cis gay men are saying transphobic things to trans gay men, I'd call it out also. Being a part of a marginalized group doesn't give you the right to be hostile to other marginalized groups.

[–]BiologyIsReal 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Did reddit banned all the women-hating subs?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

r/MGTOW was banned "for violating Reddit’s rule against promoting hate." r/TheRedPill was quarantined.

[–]Juniperius 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

But you think that you, not being part of a marginalized group, do have the right to be hostile towards it?

Your beliefs and rhetoric (and now actions, you are telling us) are hostile to homosexual people. I, a Lesbian, who has likely been out of the closet longer than you have been alive, am telling you so.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (29 children)

Saying trans women are women or trans men are men is not being hostile to homosexual people. Saying trans men can be in gay bars or transbians can be in lesbian bars is not hostile.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Again- it’s not your place to say that it’s nothing harassment if the men on that sub feel harassed.

And idk how old you are but you need to grow out of thinking that what you personally think is always accurate and right instead of simply being what you personally think.

It is not at all a fact that a transman is not a female. Until you can provide proof of that statement, you saying it means nothing. If transmen weren’t female, they’d not be transmen. No man has a vagina. Transmen do. They are two very different things. And like I said, the onus is on the people claiming that TMAM to prove it. No one has EVER successfully done that.

And actuallesbians doesn’t have any actual lesbians, just a bunch of men with mental issues and some bisexual women or even straight women virtue signaling.

Having a transman ruin the AGB sub by being a mod wouldn’t change the opinions rampant there (and amongst gay men in general), all that would accomplish is gay men finding another outlet and their comments being deleted.

You can censor the rest of us- you clearly can’t brainwash all of us. That’s what you don’t seem to get. It doesn’t matter how effective tras are at silencing reality online, reality still exists and is acknowledged irl. That has been a huge part of the point I’ve been making.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

r/ActualLesbians is full of actual lesbians. There are also plenty of monosexual lesbians on that sub. If reddit banned all the GC subs and transphobic content is rampant on AGB, they should go to. I do think if the sub explicitly banned trans men they would have been banned also.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Monosexual lesbians is an oxymoron lmao

Unless you mean people from Lesbos

[–]BiologyIsReal 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't know what you want to prove with this talk about cancelling. Big Tech (and MSM, too) making their best efforts trying to ban any trans critical content doesn't prove most people think TWAW and TMAM. It proves that transactivists are quite powerfull and influential, which is why they have managed to push their policies across several countries behind everyone's back.

So, are you or any other QT user explain to me how trans identified people be so marginalized if they have the support from big companies, the media and several goverments? Which is the truth, GB? Do most people accept "trans identities" or there is so much transphobia in the world that there is an epidemic of trans murders and suicides?