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[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

No I haven’t heard of tra being cancelled despite alok venon saying little girls are kinky and like sex, despite thousands of tweets about raping, maiming, murdering, and enslaving women and girls, despite knowing about pedophiles in their ranks, despite trying to destroy women-run businesses, despite having crisis shelters for women closed down, despite public discussions about helping little girls insert tampons, despite the protection of dangerous individuals like amy challenor moderating subreddits for children, despite admittances of violence, hatred, homicidal ideation, sexual objectification, and desire to harm women.

Are these actions morally acceptable to you because the men who did them weren’t cancelled?

Not everyone who does this is a man.

Do you truly want to say that a woman saying “woman is adult human female” is the worst act listed here?

GCs have done worse than that. Here are examples:

  1. GCs have harassed a trans woman on a sewing sub. There is a thread on Ovarit titled Just got permanently banned from r/sewing. Apparently a trans woman posted an outfit on r/sewing and according to OP she admitted that she didn’t sew it and didn’t know how to sew. So I searched for the reddit thread on https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/ and found the thread which was deleted. You can view the deleted comments here. https://www.reveddit.com/v/sewing/comments/q47mqk/deleted_by_user/

I will even share part of the comment chain.

termagant_

Badly executed and bad concept.

Terrible-Ad6206

Yikes! You didn’t need to comment! Go be a jerk somewhere else.

termagant_

Hey don’t post crap.

Terrible-Ad6206

This is the sewing subreddit. Why come in so hostile? Go away troll.

Marty-8

Why post on a sewing sub when you obviously don’t sew? You’re just a male colonialist on a women’s sub. It must make you euphoric.

Terrible-Ad6206

I’m a woman. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make. All because I haven’t posted doesn’t mean I don’t sew? Why all this hostility? Is this what r/sewing is like? Maybe I don’t want to be here…

I didn't know r/sewing is a women's sub now. Anyway, the OP never said she didn't sue that corset. And why did they have to bring up her gender? Would they bring up race if she was black?

  1. There was a thread on the old GC sub criticizing J. Lo for doing a strip tease at the super bowl.

Unlike the vast majority of women who are paid to be objectified, these two women are not poor victims in any sense. They are victimizers. These women are idolized by millions, yet choose to use their platforms to teach young girls that it's cool to be objectified by men.

OK, if you find doing a strip tease objectifying than don't do it. That doesn't make J. Lo a victimizer in any sense.

  1. When Elliot Page came out, Ovarit had an entire thread calling him slurs. One comment said "shattered by her deeply misogynistic and lesbophobic move" even though I can't recall Page saying anything misogynistic and lesbophobic, and he was once a lesbian himself. Another comment said "This is literal conversion therapy." Which IMO is insulting to actual victims of conversion therapy.

  2. They dislike Buck Angel has a career in porn. Buck is against medically transitioning minors, and even in a tweet said he doesn't like the term "cis". Despite this, Ovarit continues to refer to Buck as "she". "You're so right that her "dysphoria" makes no sense. It's insane that Buck is cool with being sexually degraded just like any other woman in porn." https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/59881/buck-angel-is-a-joke

  3. Cis men do porn. 2. If Buck personally doesn't find doing porn degrading, then it's not degrading. How can you feel degraded for someone else?

  4. GCs harass a trans woman in the bathroom. Here is a thread from the old GC sub. https://archive.ph/IPJI4#selection-2051.0-2058.0

Was shamed last night for asking why there was a man in the women’s restroom.

I heard the voice of a man through the stall door at a bar last night and was taken aback. Why was there a man in the women’s restroom??? I asked why he was in there and was yelled at by him and his friend for misgendering him. We’re being shamed in our own restrooms now for legitimate questions of why a male voice would be heard in the women’s restroom. I’m so angry.

This person wasn't bothering OP, yet OP had to harass her.

  1. I've seen comments on Ovarit about how every trans woman is a fetishist or AGP.

  2. Ovarit believes plastic surgery should be illegal. https://ovarit.com/o/WomensLiberation/28559/cosmetic-plastic-surgery-should-be-illegal

  3. Just today there was a thread titled If Laverne Cox is an inspiring black woman then so is Rachel Dolezal. Like how? Laverne Cox is a black woman. Rachel Dolezal is woman but she isn't black.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

You once again gave no answer and instead made a giant whataboutism and reverted back to chanting TWAW.

Are you able to actually debate with intellectual honesty gb? What is preventing you from giving yes or no answers? What is compelling you to bring out repeated copy+paste points like the j-Lo one, when I and other users have already broken down why they are not refutations of the arguments you use them to respond to.

I can’t tell if it’s unwillingness or inability to follow what’s being said but I just can’t with you gb. It’s like you are always responding to someone or something else, never the point at hand and never real answer.

Yes or no gb, is it morally acceptable for adult human males to say that little girls are kinky and don’t need protection from sexually interested adults because the statement did not get the speaker cancelled on Twitter. It’s got nothing to do with jlo or Elliot page or the laws in your state or the slogans you think need repeating. Yes or no.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Yes or no gb, is it morally acceptable for adult human males to say that little girls are kinky and don’t need protection from sexually interested adults because the statement did not get the speaker cancelled on Twitter.

It's not acceptable for ANYONE to say that, male or female. But that is not the reason we dislike gender critical.

[–]BiologyIsReal 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Where are all the transactivists dennouncing Alok Venon and campaigning for him and his supporters to be cancelled? Is not believing that "gender identity" should matter more than sex worse than Venon's views on girls? Why can Venom get away of negative consequences while women have been harrassed both online and irl, doxxed, fired and even be physically assaulted for statating that sex matters?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I am a TRA. I had no idea Alok V Menon said this. When I googled it I found a Quora thread titled Why did non-binary transfeminine activist Alok Vaid-Menon say that little girls can be kinky too?.

One user said Alok was using the original definition of the word kinky meaning weird. But transphobes spun it to make it look like all trans femmes are pedophiles. r/NonBinaryTalk users gave similar answers. https://www.reddit.com/r/NonBinaryTalk/comments/qzr5bq/alok_vaidmenon_controversy/

Here are some interesting comments:

Alok was not saying that little girls actually want to have sex with adult trans people or whatever twisted view bigots have spun it as. They were saying that extreme archetypes of any person are inherently harmful to those people. The perfect little white angel girl doesn't exist because little girls are human, too: let them be human. Let them explore who they are and become the people they want to be.

I don't know, it's complicated. I don't think that Alok's remarks indicate that they are a pedophile. However, I DO think that what Alok said was insensitive, at best. I think that Alok had a serious point that they were making about questioning dominant narratives concerning pure victims and evil perpetrators. I think that they way that they expressed this point was extremely problematic.

Aimee Challenor was cancelled. She enraged millions. Popular subredditts like r/music went private. Reddit hiring her was a bad fuck up for reddit. r/MTF condemned her.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MtF/comments/mcua76/announcement_regarding_the_recent_situation/

It's unclear if she's a pedophile herself but she supported her pedophile father and that is enough to make her an awful person.

[–]BiologyIsReal 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So, you first instict was to think Alok's words were unnaceptable but after reading what the official narrative was about him, you now say he was just misunderstood? Please read the full phrase and tell me whether you think there was a sexual meaning intended or not? Do you think this is a reasonable thing to say to challenge fears of girls being sexually abused in public restrooms?

https://uploads.ovarit.com/d251c4c6-12af-565e-9bc3-1700bba684a8.png

And are we sure Aimee Challenor is really gone from reddit? I mean that guy seems to be the kind that falls upwards. Before reddit he was a member of two political parties.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So TRA are supporting and protecting the man who said little girls are kinky. Providing wishy washy excuses that don’t quite cover what was originally said.

And this is good according to you?

He was maybe not talking about sexual assault even though the entire quote mentions a fear that someone like him will abuse a little girl? Doubtful.

Gb, can you visually detect that Amy challenor and his dad are pedophiles? Is there any way to tell, at a glance, whether or not they will harm you or a child if they feel the opportunity arises?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Alok V Menon isn't a man. The reason they weren't cancelled is because Alok likely meant the word "kinky" in the sense of " relating to, having, or appealing to unconventional tastes". I do agree the comment is in poor taste. Biden called baseball player Satchel Paige a "great negro" and yes it was racist and I do wish there was outrage but it's not worth cancelling.

Aimee Challenor is a she and she was cancelled for supporting her pedophile dad. It's unclear if she molested children herself but she supports people who do.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You cannot police my speech and force me to participate in the erasure of sex gb. Give it a fuckin rest, for once in your life lol.

Do you really think that “adult human females are women” is a worse thing to say than “little girls are kinky and you shouldn’t think they are pure, as in non-sexual” ?

Really? Where else is the word kinky used to describe being non comformative? Eclectic taste is not kink.

If Aimee was cancelled why were hundreds of Reddit accounts banned for calling him out? Why was he able to moderate the teenagers subreddit under a different account? Why did admins and mods move to protect Amy until they were forced to admit his role in his fathers crimes?

Why was someone who interacts with and defends a known pedophile ever allowed to moderate an online space for teenagers in the first place?

Gb, is being cancelled by the internet how we as a society decide what is and isn’t morally acceptable? Is it really how you decide whether someone is good or not?

It seems as though you are trying to claim that if someone is not cancelled, they have not done anything wrong, and that people who are cancelled are irredeemable and wrong. It’s extremely unwise to base your opinions and core values on popular media trends.

I see you have yet again decided to not answer a question asked and instead brought up Biden for some reason. Can you please answer me instead of introducing distractions that bear no relevance.