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[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (29 children)

Im saying that most people may be fine with bathrooms because they don’t realize the further implications.

How do you know people don’t realize the further implications? How do you know people don’t do their research? Is it because they hold opinions you don't agree with?

But as I said, your link actually indicates thst the amount of people who think trans people should use the spaces that corelate to the reality of their sex is what is actually increasing.

I dont think actual trans people are brainwashed- I think they’re severely mentally ill. I think their simps, including you, are brainwashed. Why else would you believe so fervently in something so easily disproved?

Cool. You think people who hold different opinions then you are brainwashed simps. But that argument does not prove your point. In fact, it makes your argument weaker.

It’s gender critical views that are banned from many major websites, including Reddit, YouTube, Twitter, etc. Ovarit even has an entire circle of people who are "cancelled" for gender critical views. Have you heard of TRAs being cancelled?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

I know because I pay attention and listen to other people. Everything doesn’t have to be studies and statistics- even on Reddit when trans people come up (not on trans related subs), most people confirm what I’m saying. They don’t hold opinions i disagree with- check comments on YouTube, Facebook (though they delete comments a lot there), or people out side of your gender bubble, they agree with GC, withouy even knowing what gc is. So I’m saying they DGAF about trans people either way, they just accept the lie of “just wanting to pee" because they are under-informed and want the well being of others. But when other issues come up, they clearly lean gender critical when they are confronted with the subject.

I don’t think any and all people who hold different opinions than I do are simps. There are thousands of various opinions and beliefs I respect even if I don’t agree, but in this specific subject, absolutely if you’ve allowed a group of obviously extremely mentally ill and that D word I can’t use people convince you that what they are claiming makes even a little bit of sense- brainwashed, or simp.

Gender critical views are all over all of the sites you listed lmao. Yes select people get “canceled”, but the views of the majority are allover. I juuuuust got through watching a gender critical channel on YouTube and this very site links several Twitter threads of people acknowledging how insane tras are. There are even low key subs on Reddit where the comments are full of people laughing at how ridiculous tras sound.

So while yes, the concept of TERFS/radfems/gc are vilified (because we are women…), by and large, the opinions of the general populace who don’t call themselves radfems/gc are allover the interwebs, babes. And they don’t agree with tras. At all.

Interesting how you have so much to say in response to my comment but won’t address that you misinterpreted your own link. The very link that would tell you what I’m typing now.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

Further- People like Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh, Blaire White who is trans himself, all have thriving social media pages on various platforms and huge followings. Further proof that the issue is not what gc says- it’s that the people associated with gender critical are WOMEN. when it comes from a man’s mouth, widespread agreement, and tras in a corner of the internet crying violence and spouting false statistics and half truths. (Yes I’m aware that those are all conservative men- but even people who aren’t conservatives are in agreement when it comes to trans issues, that’s my point. Even when they disagree with other stuff, they agree here. The fact that non conservatives are even willing to admit they agree with conservatives on anything is just how clear it is that most of the 99% are not here for tra bs)

Even the Wii spa lady was supported, despite the seething rage from tras.

Dave chapelle- not canceled

Queen J K Rowling herself- not canceled. Even amongst tras they’re so desperate to cling to her works that they try to act as if she’s no longer associated with Harry Potter.

Even Maya forestsarter got to come back from her "cancellation"

I think you’re so ensconced in your gender uwu circle jerk bubble that you just don’t see what is actually going on outside of it.

[–]beris😎 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

I mean, can we at least agree that people with more wealth and media/internet presence than small countries cannot be 'canceled'? Implying that jk rowling or dave chapelle could be in literally any social or financial danger is worse than a bad joke.

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Sounded more hostile than I meant, sorry, just mean to say that implying tras ever had a chance of cancelling them was, well... Silly? Sorry.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

I mean, Being fired and being canceled are two different things. You can’t really cancel someone most people don’t know. I already acknowledged that people who refer to themselves as gc/radfem are vilified, threatened, etc and why. So the only one implying what you’re saying I implied is you.

You can literally go on any social media and read any relevant comment section and see thousands of people call out tra bullshit. Most of them don’t lose their jobs or even get their accounts suspended. I know this because I can still see their comments and their account. Yes it does happen sometimes, and it shouldn’t. But my point is still that there are just as many “bigots” online expressing themselves as there are “people just trying to live their truth”.

My whole point was that most people think and say the same shit that the people who do get canceled or fired say- they just don’t call themselves gc/radfems or they aren’t women. And again, even when they do, they don’t generally face repercussions other than tras ganging up on them online while likeminded individuals gang up on the tras.

The point wasn’t even about social or financial danger- it’s about the signs that the general public agrees with gc points more than qt points, regardless of what happens to the person making the points. The point is that when it comes down to it, most people see where Gc is coming from when they have to think deeper on the subject than they normally would.

And some tras literally posted jk Rowling’s personal address online encouraging people to harass her. so she actually could have been in danger. And she got the same death and rape threats most gc women get, probably a thousand times over.

And Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh, and Blaire White are all people who could easily be canceled. And they certainly do not have more wealth than small countries. Idk Shapiro’s net worth but for sure the other two.

They attempted to cancel Rowling and punish Chappelle- the general public laughed at them and rolled their eyes for it. THAT’S my point.

[–]beris😎 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

Alright

1) I'm not talking about non public-figure individuals. Non public figures can and have been "cancelled", as was the case with Maya and others. They're the vulnerable ones.

2)Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh and blaire white CAN be cancelled, but they won't be cancelled for having views that made them famous in the first place. Alt-right figureheads are literally completely unaffected by the whims of leftists on Twitter. Milo yia-i think young gay guys getting molested by older men is a good thing-nopolis was cancelled because he went against core alt right beliefs, not because he was racist and sexist and just generally a bad person.

3) my main point is that "attempting to cancel rowling and punish chappelle" is the same as attempting to drink the entire ocean by yourself. As in impossible in every way, shape, and form. So as a whole we should really stop centering conversations about actually real life lives being ruined around literal multi-millionaires and billionaires who don't give two shits about the things they say because they're doing it for profit anyways. While the general public are laughing and rolling their eyes about billionaires being unaffected by social duress they're immune to in the first place, people are having their lives ruined every day.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

Okay then you’re not really even talking about what we were talking about so…

  1. Maya was fired. That’s not canceled. And I’m saying that this doesn’t happen to 99% of people who go online and say that sex is real. It shouldn’t have happened to maya. But unless you can show that every person or even most people who say something true on Twitter get fired for it, Im not sure why you are acting like every woman who makes a post on Twitter that tras don’t like loses their job? Also, maya wa supported both verbally and financially by people who thought her being fired was wrong- that’s not being canceled.

-2. The fact that there are enough people out there who agree with Shapiro, Walsh, and White that they could build their platform and not be canceled IS LITERALLY MY POINT. Again, GB and I were talking about the percentage of people who are being “held hostage” to trans demands. I used social media as an indication of how people really feel. I still don’t see why you are trying to say that what I’m saying is wrong and none of your responses are making it clear to me.

-3. And I’m saying, once again, that not only were they not canceled, they were supported and tras were told to calm down and that chappelle and Rowling said nothing wrong/transphobic. That’s what the general public said. To tras. So, yet again- given the context of why this was even brought up by me in the first place- you aren’t proving me wrong. At all. You’re saying what I’m saying but acting like it goes against what I said. They weren’t canceled because nobody really GAF about how upset tras were.

Are there people who get screwed over for their honesty? Absolutely, is it true that most people who are publicly honest about their views on tras/trans people are losing their jobs? No. It’s not. Or we’d see more stories of it. Some people have to put up with pronouns and bathroom shit at school and work, yes it’s bad. But, for hopefully the final time, I was talking about people expressing opinions that differ from the tra party line, on social media. We can all still do that. A lot of people are doing this. And getting more upvotes and support and than the tras arguing with them. I was asked how I know that most people agree with gc. I said the comments people choose to make and the statuses they post allover sm is how. So I’m still not sure what you’re trying to do here with your comments. And I’m tired of repeating myself so have a good one

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

I could list a hundred famous people who were canceled for racism or even homophobia. I cannot name a single one who was truly canceled for TraNsPhoBia. Because as much as there’s virtue signaling and faux support, as much as gc gets vilified, when it comes down to it, most people just don’t gaf about trans people complaining. Most people are sick of the complaining.

[–]beris😎 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

Uhhh. Maya Forstater? But you're right, time wasting. It got way off track and I didn't explain myself well enough since I was posting in between work. Maybe someday I'll explain better. Have a fun Friday.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

Omg maya forstater wasn’t famous before she got fired. She is known for being fired. I’m talking about Issaih Washington getting fired from grey’s and not really working again for homophobic remarks. I’m talking about Roseanne and Paula Dean and the dude from Seinfeld and Mel Gibson. Name an actual famous celebrity who has been canceled for transphobia? Also, can you link proof that everyone/most people who speaks out about trans issues gets fired?