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[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (150 children)

Im saying you know the concept of changing rooms being sexed.

I know the concept of changing rooms being sexed. You know I don't agree with sexed spaces.

And these facilities are still sex segregated- aside from people who think their sense of self matter more than actual reality. Gender identity can’t even be proven or accurately defined yet somehow how a man feels about himself matters more than the equality and safety of females as a whole.

But laws are changing. School districts are changing their policies, states are changing their laws, the YMCA and Planet Fitness changed their policy.

Just because a law exists doesn’t mean it’s not absolutely wrong.

We know you want sex segregated spaces. We don't.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (149 children)

I just feel like you only think about what you want and what an incredibly small portion of the population wants. It’s so incredibly selfish, harmful, and dangerous to others.

Jim Crow laws got worse before they got better, so idk why you think laws changing means they are fair and reasonable laws in the first place.

It will never be okay to hold 99% of the population hostage to the views and beliefs of 1%. Not ever. And any community that needs to step on the rights, equality and dignity of another group to get what they want is nothing less than toxic.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (148 children)

I just feel like you only think about what you want and what an incredibly small portion of the population wants.

Proof?

It will never be okay to hold 99% of the population hostage to the views and beliefs of 1%. Not ever.

No one is being held hostage. People can vote if they wish.

And any community that needs to step on the rights, equality and dignity of another group to get what they want is nothing less than toxic.

Sharing facilities with you is not violating your rights.

[–]BiologyIsReal 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

How people can vote when TRAs keep covering up the facts? Here's an example of your own country. First the ACLU attempted to block a request for information about how many TW were housed in women's prisons in Washington. Now lawmakers want to pass a law so citizens cannot request this information. Why so much secretism if there is no problems over housing TW in the female state and most Americans believe sex is meaningless?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

My whole thing is, if the general population was really as accepting and open to trans people as GB seems to think they are…

What the fuck are tras and trans people still complaining about? Certainly not the super small amount of people who don’t drink their kool-aid. It doesn’t make sense that we keep getting told that there’s an epidemic of violence and their rights are being stripped from them and all the other stuff they bitch about daily if what GB is saying is true.

Even the link GB offered states that the percentage of people in favor of trans people using the bathroom/space that matched their actual sex is increasing. None of what GB is saying checks out (shocker, I know).

[–]BiologyIsReal 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Right. Either trans identified people are a marginalized and powerless population, or they are perfectly accepted by all people but a fringe hate group. They cannot have it both ways.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (144 children)

Your comments all through out this sub are the proof and yes, males using their male privilege to rob women and girls of spaces free from them are absolutely violating our rights. We can’t even play sports without men forcing their way into that anymore. Even if they weren’t violating our rights they’re erasing us. You’ll see one day. And when you do I hope this sub is still here so I can say I told you so.

The reason I know you’ll see one day is because you’ve never commented anything that has come across as your own independent thought. It’s so obvious that you’re repeating the party lines that it’s pretty clear that you’ve been indoctrinated. You’ll learn. Most women eventually do.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (143 children)

You said what I want is what "an incredibly small portion of the population" wants.

According to a PPRI study, only 40% of women support requiring trans people to use bathrooms corresponding to their assigned sex at birth. That means 60% of women are OK with otherwise. That is not an incredibly small portion of the population. 51% of men support requiring transgender individuals people to use bathrooms corresponding to their assigned sex at birth.

What do you mean by I'm "indoctrinated?" I believe pretty much everything I post, and I am against sex-segregated spaces. I believed everything I say for over 10 years.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (139 children)

Im confident most people, male or female, aren’t well informed on this subject. Most people buy the "we just want to pee" bullshit. So I’m not surprised that there’s a large percentage that’s willing to make some men the exception to the sex based rule- they don’t understand that giving an inch to TW gives away our whole sex. I also know people are afraid to be honest about this subject, but 40% is a lot of uncomfortable women. That’s too high a percentage to me for this to be okay.

As far as your beliefs- we’ll see lol. This ideology is more illogical that actual recognized religions. It will crumble. It’s not sustainable. Unless you’re trans yourself, you’ll eventually see how ridiculous this whole thing is. I have asked you several times for proof that TWAW, you can’t provide it, that’s how I know you’ll eventually see the light.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (138 children)

Im confident most people, male or female, aren’t well informed on this subject. Most people buy the "we just want to pee" bullshit. So

I'm confident most people are well informed on this subject. Most of us know what it means to to allow opposite sex people in the bathroom. We just don't agree that this is inherently dangerous for cis women. We feel if someone harasses someone else in the bathroom or locker room, it's their behavior that's the problem, not their mere presence.

This is GCs argument, that QTS are brainwashed, that QTs don't know what the trans movement entails, yada yada. Just because we disagree with you doesn't mean we are brainwashed.

I also know people are afraid to be honest about this subject, but 40% is a lot of uncomfortable women. That’s too high a percentage to me for this to be okay.

But 60% of women don't believe bathrooms should be sexed. We live in a democracy, meaning majority rules.

As far as your beliefs- we’ll see lol. This ideology is more illogical that actual recognized religions. It will crumble. It’s not sustainable. Unless you’re trans yourself, you’ll eventually see how ridiculous this whole thing is.

To you. Every day I read Ovarit and am disgusted by most of their posts and comments. How did they not "peak" me yet?

[–]BiologyIsReal 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Serios question, why do you keep hate-reading ovarit if our comments are so disgusting? Also, have you checked the it's a fetish or this never happens subs?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (136 children)

Im saying that most people may be fine with bathrooms because they don’t realize the further implications. We generally want others to be safe- that’s what they’re relying on. But as I said, your link actually indicates thst the amount of people who think trans people should use the spaces that corelate to the reality of their sex is what is actually increasing. Read your link more thoroughly.

I dont think actual trans people are brainwashed- I think they’re severely mentally ill. I think their simps, including you, are brainwashed. Why else would you believe so fervently in something so easily disproved?

As far as the 60%- as I said, they aren’t paying attention to the bigger picture and still, the link you provided doesn’t say what you think it says or prove what you think it proves- it actually proves the tide is slowly turning.

And I used to think like you, and when pressed, I couldn’t back up my claims either. If You dont eventually peak, its because you just refuse to out of religious belief. You’ve never actually even attempted to provide evidence to the TWAW tmam thing, and the "evidence" you link always proves you wrong lol. I’d bet you secretly know gc is right already. See you soon on the gc side lol. Don’t worry, living in reality is fun too.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (135 children)

Im saying that most people may be fine with bathrooms because they don’t realize the further implications.

How do you know people don’t realize the further implications? How do you know people don’t do their research? Is it because they hold opinions you don't agree with?

But as I said, your link actually indicates thst the amount of people who think trans people should use the spaces that corelate to the reality of their sex is what is actually increasing.

I dont think actual trans people are brainwashed- I think they’re severely mentally ill. I think their simps, including you, are brainwashed. Why else would you believe so fervently in something so easily disproved?

Cool. You think people who hold different opinions then you are brainwashed simps. But that argument does not prove your point. In fact, it makes your argument weaker.

It’s gender critical views that are banned from many major websites, including Reddit, YouTube, Twitter, etc. Ovarit even has an entire circle of people who are "cancelled" for gender critical views. Have you heard of TRAs being cancelled?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (79 children)

I know because I pay attention and listen to other people. Everything doesn’t have to be studies and statistics- even on Reddit when trans people come up (not on trans related subs), most people confirm what I’m saying. They don’t hold opinions i disagree with- check comments on YouTube, Facebook (though they delete comments a lot there), or people out side of your gender bubble, they agree with GC, withouy even knowing what gc is. So I’m saying they DGAF about trans people either way, they just accept the lie of “just wanting to pee" because they are under-informed and want the well being of others. But when other issues come up, they clearly lean gender critical when they are confronted with the subject.

I don’t think any and all people who hold different opinions than I do are simps. There are thousands of various opinions and beliefs I respect even if I don’t agree, but in this specific subject, absolutely if you’ve allowed a group of obviously extremely mentally ill and that D word I can’t use people convince you that what they are claiming makes even a little bit of sense- brainwashed, or simp.

Gender critical views are all over all of the sites you listed lmao. Yes select people get “canceled”, but the views of the majority are allover. I juuuuust got through watching a gender critical channel on YouTube and this very site links several Twitter threads of people acknowledging how insane tras are. There are even low key subs on Reddit where the comments are full of people laughing at how ridiculous tras sound.

So while yes, the concept of TERFS/radfems/gc are vilified (because we are women…), by and large, the opinions of the general populace who don’t call themselves radfems/gc are allover the interwebs, babes. And they don’t agree with tras. At all.

Interesting how you have so much to say in response to my comment but won’t address that you misinterpreted your own link. The very link that would tell you what I’m typing now.

[–]BiologyIsReal 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s gender critical views that are banned from many major websites, including Reddit, YouTube, Twitter, etc. Ovarit even has an entire circle of people who are "cancelled" for gender critical views. Have you heard of TRAs being cancelled?

Shouldn't this be proof that the average person is only hearing one side, i.e. the transactivist's side? What have you to say about my question over transactivist's secretism? Why the ACLU and lawmakers don't want American citizens learn how many "TW" are being housed in women's prisons in Washington? They mention privacy concerns, but the numbers can be given without being tied to the indivuduals. So, what is there to hide?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (53 children)

No I haven’t heard of tra being cancelled despite alok venon saying little girls are kinky and like sex, despite thousands of tweets about raping, maiming, murdering, and enslaving women and girls, despite knowing about pedophiles in their ranks, despite trying to destroy women-run businesses, despite having crisis shelters for women closed down, despite public discussions about helping little girls insert tampons, despite the protection of dangerous individuals like amy challenor moderating subreddits for children, despite admittances of violence, hatred, homicidal ideation, sexual objectification, and desire to harm women.

Are these actions morally acceptable to you because the men who did them weren’t cancelled?

Do you truly want to say that a woman saying “woman is adult human female” is the worst act listed here?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Also- "Compared to 2017, backing for the policy is numerically higher across all partisan groups"

This is for people in favor of them using spaces designated for their sex. Sex. Not gender identity. Your link doesn’t prove what you think it proves. It proves that more people want them to use the proper sex based space than in 2017.

[–]beris😎 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think the study is great. Really shows how a majority of people don't hate trans people (especially when you exclude the religious right), we just don't want them to intrude on spaces they dont belong in.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. I love when tras accidentally prove themselves wrong and prove that we aren’t bigots