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[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (154 children)

Is it truly harassment to politely inform someone that their presence is a violation of your safety and privacy tho? A womens changing room is not a public street, and it is not a space that anyone is entitled to access.

A changing room at a gym or store etc is a public place. A private place is your own home and land you own. Random people are allowed to enter stores or businesses. Some places require membership, but they are still open to the public, so that means you can expect to encounter strangers. Private places are your own home. It's not a place you can expect strangers to enter and you are welcome to decide who is allowed and you are welcome to non-owners/residents people to leave if you feel they are violating your safety and privacy.

Why do you pretend like it’s wild and unreasonable for women to be wary of males when it’s already been explained to you that it’s a reasonable caution?

I'm a cis woman myself. I'm wary of people of all sexes if they are behaving oddly or doing something to make me uncomfortable. They can be strangers or sometimes even people I know. I am never wary of someone solely because of their sex.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (153 children)

A changing room at a gym or store etc is a public place

Why do you do this? Why do you act like you don’t know exactly what we are talking about? It does nothing but allow you to avoid addressing the topic while we all waste time trying to get you to address the topic. And then you ghost instead of ever actually addressing the topic lol

You know damn well that, while yes, these are technically public spaces (rather, they are semi private spaces in public spaces), they are spaces that are intended to be sex segregated. So no, actually, a man/male should not have access to those spaces despite them being in a public space.

I'm a cis woman myself. I'm wary of people of all sexes if they are behaving oddly or doing something to make me uncomfortable. They can be strangers or sometimes even people I know. I am never wary of someone solely because of their sex.

Must be nice. All women aren’t like you. Most of us have been taught to be wary of males (as a precaution) from a young age. Some of us don’t need to be taught to be wary because shit has already happened to make us wary from a young age. These subjects and issues are about all of us, not just you. I still can’t understand how you don’t get that. I never will understand how you don’t get that.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (152 children)

Why do you do this? Why do you act like you don’t know exactly what we are talking about? It does nothing but allow you to avoid addressing the topic while we all waste time trying to get you to address the topic. And then you ghost instead of ever actually addressing the topic lol

I talked about changing because u/Houseplant brought up changing rooms as an example. If this is not about changing rooms, than what is it about?

You know damn well that, while yes, these are technically public spaces (rather, they are semi private spaces in public spaces), they are spaces that are intended to be sex segregated. So no, actually, a man/male should not have access to those spaces despite them being in a public space.

I don't think these spaces should be segregated to begin with. This is now the law in many areas. My state prohibits "denying the use of rest rooms, locker rooms, or other facilities consistent with a person's gender identity".

https://dhr.ny.gov/genda

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (151 children)

Im saying you know the concept of changing rooms being sexed. So saying what you’re saying about public spaces is you avoiding the point. Changing rooms and bathrooms are meant to be (semi) private (sex based) spaces in public spaces. You know this. You understand this. It does nothing to act like you don’t.

And these facilities are still sex segregated- aside from people who think their sense of self matter more than actual reality. Gender identity can’t even be proven or accurately defined yet somehow how a man feels about himself matters more than the equality and safety of females as a whole.

Jim Crow laws were laws once. Humans could literally own, buy, and sell other humans. Husbands used to be able to rape their wives and the wives would be told that it wasn’t rape because they were marrried. Children ( actually no, pretty much just exclusively young girls, regardless of what their gender identity may have been) could legally be married to grown men.

Just because a law exists doesn’t mean it’s not absolutely wrong.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (150 children)

Im saying you know the concept of changing rooms being sexed.

I know the concept of changing rooms being sexed. You know I don't agree with sexed spaces.

And these facilities are still sex segregated- aside from people who think their sense of self matter more than actual reality. Gender identity can’t even be proven or accurately defined yet somehow how a man feels about himself matters more than the equality and safety of females as a whole.

But laws are changing. School districts are changing their policies, states are changing their laws, the YMCA and Planet Fitness changed their policy.

Just because a law exists doesn’t mean it’s not absolutely wrong.

We know you want sex segregated spaces. We don't.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (149 children)

I just feel like you only think about what you want and what an incredibly small portion of the population wants. It’s so incredibly selfish, harmful, and dangerous to others.

Jim Crow laws got worse before they got better, so idk why you think laws changing means they are fair and reasonable laws in the first place.

It will never be okay to hold 99% of the population hostage to the views and beliefs of 1%. Not ever. And any community that needs to step on the rights, equality and dignity of another group to get what they want is nothing less than toxic.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (148 children)

I just feel like you only think about what you want and what an incredibly small portion of the population wants.

Proof?

It will never be okay to hold 99% of the population hostage to the views and beliefs of 1%. Not ever.

No one is being held hostage. People can vote if they wish.

And any community that needs to step on the rights, equality and dignity of another group to get what they want is nothing less than toxic.

Sharing facilities with you is not violating your rights.

[–]BiologyIsReal 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

How people can vote when TRAs keep covering up the facts? Here's an example of your own country. First the ACLU attempted to block a request for information about how many TW were housed in women's prisons in Washington. Now lawmakers want to pass a law so citizens cannot request this information. Why so much secretism if there is no problems over housing TW in the female state and most Americans believe sex is meaningless?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

My whole thing is, if the general population was really as accepting and open to trans people as GB seems to think they are…

What the fuck are tras and trans people still complaining about? Certainly not the super small amount of people who don’t drink their kool-aid. It doesn’t make sense that we keep getting told that there’s an epidemic of violence and their rights are being stripped from them and all the other stuff they bitch about daily if what GB is saying is true.

Even the link GB offered states that the percentage of people in favor of trans people using the bathroom/space that matched their actual sex is increasing. None of what GB is saying checks out (shocker, I know).

[–]BiologyIsReal 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Right. Either trans identified people are a marginalized and powerless population, or they are perfectly accepted by all people but a fringe hate group. They cannot have it both ways.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (144 children)

Your comments all through out this sub are the proof and yes, males using their male privilege to rob women and girls of spaces free from them are absolutely violating our rights. We can’t even play sports without men forcing their way into that anymore. Even if they weren’t violating our rights they’re erasing us. You’ll see one day. And when you do I hope this sub is still here so I can say I told you so.

The reason I know you’ll see one day is because you’ve never commented anything that has come across as your own independent thought. It’s so obvious that you’re repeating the party lines that it’s pretty clear that you’ve been indoctrinated. You’ll learn. Most women eventually do.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (143 children)

You said what I want is what "an incredibly small portion of the population" wants.

According to a PPRI study, only 40% of women support requiring trans people to use bathrooms corresponding to their assigned sex at birth. That means 60% of women are OK with otherwise. That is not an incredibly small portion of the population. 51% of men support requiring transgender individuals people to use bathrooms corresponding to their assigned sex at birth.

What do you mean by I'm "indoctrinated?" I believe pretty much everything I post, and I am against sex-segregated spaces. I believed everything I say for over 10 years.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (139 children)

Im confident most people, male or female, aren’t well informed on this subject. Most people buy the "we just want to pee" bullshit. So I’m not surprised that there’s a large percentage that’s willing to make some men the exception to the sex based rule- they don’t understand that giving an inch to TW gives away our whole sex. I also know people are afraid to be honest about this subject, but 40% is a lot of uncomfortable women. That’s too high a percentage to me for this to be okay.

As far as your beliefs- we’ll see lol. This ideology is more illogical that actual recognized religions. It will crumble. It’s not sustainable. Unless you’re trans yourself, you’ll eventually see how ridiculous this whole thing is. I have asked you several times for proof that TWAW, you can’t provide it, that’s how I know you’ll eventually see the light.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Also- "Compared to 2017, backing for the policy is numerically higher across all partisan groups"

This is for people in favor of them using spaces designated for their sex. Sex. Not gender identity. Your link doesn’t prove what you think it proves. It proves that more people want them to use the proper sex based space than in 2017.