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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

“For example, it's clearer and more truthful to say that "female men can get pregnant" than it is to say "men can get pregnant". “

Much more clear and truthful to just state the actual clear truth… that the “man” that can get pregnant can do so because they aren’t actually a man. People need to stop pretending that personal senses of self can change fact. Transmen are women. Transwomen are men. The trans community needs to provide actual proof otherwise or stop trying to force this on everyone else.

Why should women (or men) have to compromise on the very language and definitions meant for us for people who aren’t women (or men)? Because it hurts their feelings if we don’t? Lots of people get their feelings hurt all the time, we don’t deny reality to placate them.

The thing I don’t think the trans community understands is that, to 99% of the world, “transwoman” translates to “man”. “Transman” translates to “woman”. “Cis” translates to “real/actual” and “female man” would just translate to “not a man at all” and “male woman” would translate to “not a woman at all”

Whatever language changes or made up words we come up with to “compromise”- most people are still going to not see trans people as they want to be and the real understanding of these compromise terms would be exactly what the terms we have already are: code for things we aren’t allowed to say out loud anymore.

We already compromised when we agreed to call certain men “transwomen” and certain women “transmen”. It wasn’t enough. Nothing ever will be, so why bother?

All of this to say- these terms would mean nothing to anyone but the trans community. Which kind of makes this pointless. It’s not like all of a sudden people will view trans people differently if we accept any new terms. It won’t change shit.

*Edited to fix a typo

[–]comradeconradical[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Right, the compromise always has and continues to fall more and more on women (female women lol)

I thought this language would be a bigger compromise for QT as they would need to state sex, but I see now that it's not going to be possible to create new terms to fix this divide in communication or change the way these opposing groups consider things.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

QT can’t even agree with each other. We can’t compromise (further) with people who can’t even align within their own group. For every qt that acknowledges that TW are male but are also somehow women, you have a dozen that claim that TW are actually female. You have varying definitions of what it means to be trans and who is trans. If they can’t get it together to unify their beliefs, how can anyone whos not qt compromise on anything?