Both: Where do you see the gender wars in 10 years?

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[–]worried19[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

In 2031, I believe that the backlash resulting from affirmation only policies will have effectively ended medical child transition. I think there will probably be some holdouts who socially transition their children, but it will be much harder to put children on puberty blockers or cross-sex hormones or perform surgeries on them. I pray that will be the case. I also believe that the wave of ROGD will end and we will go back to at least pre-2015 levels of female transitioners.

I'm not sure what will happen with the rest of the issues, but I do believe trying to integrate natal males into women's sports and women's prisons will have turned out to be an untenable position. I believe organizations may develop workarounds, such as all trans wings in female prisons, or trans sports leagues. The bathroom issue I believe is long lost. There is simply no way to effectively police that. I believe it will end up in trans activists' favor.

[–]BiologyIsReal 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

The bathroom issue I believe is long lost. There is simply no way to effectively police that. I believe it will end up in trans activists' favor.

You can police this, though. Just say males are not allowed in the women's toilets. Most males who identify as trans don't "pass", specially not IRL, and many can't resist doing weird things there like taking selfies or masturbating. There is no reason not to take said males out of the bathrooms just because the possible existence of a very tiny minority of males who can fly under the radar.

[–]worried19[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Right, but I mean we aren't going to have police or security guards stationed at bathrooms. I just think this particular issue is a lost cause. Even if the GC side ends up winning overall, we may lose this particular fight.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There’s never been guards at the loos where I live but men manage to control themselves and don’t just run in there at every chance. The idea that it will need guards or inspections is a tra falsehood imo. They invented that scenario as though sexed segregation hasn’t worked when it has.

The real issue is not the door, it’s the men who decide that women do not deserve a door.

[–]BiologyIsReal 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There never were any police or security guards watching over who entered the women's toilets and yet most men knew to stay away from it. Everyone knew that any man trying to get into there was a pervert and was treated as such. If you found a man there you could get him kicked out. It was that simple. I'm saying the bathroom problem could be solved by resuming this now defunct social norm. The only reason why males who identify as trans could not be deal with in the same way is because nowadays there are lots and lots of people who would not dare to call the obvious man a man in his face (because his feelings are "way more important" than the safety and comfort of women and girls), let alone make him leave the women's bathrooms.