About the origins of the word "gender"

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Every feminist who can't accept that sex & gender are synonyms are following Stoller's lead.

You said you weren't "fond" of the term gender identity. Aesthetics.

Your research methods are worryingly lacking. I thought you said you work in the hard sciences. Kohlberg's definition of gender identity is the original one from 1966. It's pretty easy to find, if you're looking for it. If you google things like "the origin of gender" it'll say: John Money 1955, which is incorrect on so many levels, Money coined "gender-roles" in 1955, gender is an ancient term, but apparently you would have just taken the top results as gospel. Maybe one day when you google 'woman' & it regurgitates some TRA definition you can try to distance yourself from that term too.

No one is using Kohlberg's definition besides you

Do you realise that you're saying I'm more informed on this topic than anyone else?

Julie Bindel seems to be using Kohlberg's definition of gender identity here, unfortunately shortening it to gender: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/may/26/how-important-is-gender

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Every feminist who can't accept that sex & gender are synonyms are following Stoller's lead.

So, even if I avoid talking about "gender", I'm following Stoller's lead. What a nonsense!

You said you weren't "fond" of the term gender identity. Aesthetics.

Yeah, let's ignore the thousand words I write about my problems with the term. Dismissing them as pure aesthetics is far easier.

Your research methods are worryingly lacking. I thought you said you work in the hard sciences.

You dare to criticize my researching skills when you think using Google Images and a single book as an example is the definitive evidence you need to prove English speakers don't know the word sex may refer to state of being male or female until they reach adulthood?

You have done nothing in this post but extrapolate your puritanical uprising and education, that for some reason was also utterly lacking in biology, to all native English speakers, both past and present.

Kohlberg's definition of gender identity is the original one from 1966. It's pretty easy to find, if you're looking for it.

Source or you are making stuff up. Also, what I really want to know is whether Kohlberg originally talked about "gender identity" or if he used the word "sex" instead and you're re-interpreting his work because of your aversion of the word "sex".

If you google things like "the origin of gender" it'll say: John Money 1955, which is incorrect on so many levels, Money coined "gender-roles" in 1955, gender is an ancient term, but apparently you would have just taken the top results as gospel. Maybe one day when you google 'woman' & it regurgitates some TRA definition you can try to distance yourself from that term too.

I've said previously that both Money and Stoller usually didn't use the word alone. So, thanks for tell me what I already knew.

Julie Bindel seems to be using Kohlberg's definition of gender identity here, unfortunately shortening it to gender: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/may/26/how-important-is-gender

That is absurd. She couldn't be using Kohlberg's definition because she was talking about a newborn baby, who could not understand back then what females and males are. She clearly is talking about sex stereotypes and social expectations here.