About the origins of the word "gender"

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[–]BiologyIsReal[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

If your child draws a penis at school, you'll probably get a phone call. If you child just draws a boy, no such call will happen. What do you think the nature of the phone call might be? Suggesting that a penis is obscene is as ridiculous as suggesting that a boy is obscene, right?

I said nothing about drawing penises... So, should I take this as you saying that children shouldn't be taught the proper for body parts because they are obscene? When they should learn the proper names? At 18 years old alongside the word sex? Are you ever going to tell me what you were taught at biology class?

You have my permission to quit patronising me now.

Look who talks about being patronizing...

You help erase it as a concept every time you refer to it as "sex".

So, I every time I use the word sex I help to erase the concept of sex... That doens't make any sense.

Gender isn't their term, remember? You insist it only means masculinity & femininity & has no other meaning.

Yeah, sure. They talk about gender all day, but it's not ther term. Read the OP again, feminists weren't the ones who started talking about gender.

If German only had neuter, would linguists say it only has one gender, or would they say it's not a gendered language? Seeing as there are no languages with only one gender, but there are languages that are not gendered, you must already know the answer to that one.

You're so keen on proving me wrong that you keep saying even more ridiculous things. It's called neuter gender because it's an aditional gender besides the masculine and feminine. Maybe try studying a bit of grammar.

https://bostonlanguage.wordpress.com/2015/01/09/gender-in-languages-across-the-world/

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Grammatical_gender

Irrelevant tho. I never said they were tho. Pay attention tho. Modern transgenderism's view of gender isn't consistent with Butler & Stoller. Conversely, Butler & Stoller's definitions are perfectly concordant with feminism's. If you think the reverse is true, please expound.

So, Butler and Stoller are not feminists, but their ideas about gender are perfectly concordant with feminism. You're not even trying to make a coherent argument anymore, dude.

[–]SnowAssMan 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Sex is considered obscene, hence why it'll never be shown early in the morning on Nick Jr. You really needed that explained to you?

You can say sex as often & as loudly as you like, all you'll be saying is sexual intercourse, like a mother bird feeding a brood parasite.

So gender doesn't mean masculinity or femininity either now, it just means whatever transgenderists say bc they use it all the time? Transgenderists weren't the ones who started talking about gender either, your point?

Yeah, & neutering your dog is giving it a sex change.

Do you think gender means masculinity & femininity? Then you agree with Stoller & Butler. According to your logic you're not a feminist anymore by virtue of the aforementioned. Maybe read their books first, instead of making assumptions about what they wrote.

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sex is considered obscene, hence why it'll never be shown early in the morning on Nick Jr. You really needed that explained to you?

Sex is considered obscene by you, and to you. Obscene means offensive, disgusting, repugnant, an affront to moral decency. Most people don't agree with you that sex is obscene. Sex, or rather material that is sexually explicit, is inappropriate for children. Inappropriate for children is not the same as obscene.

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Same difference.