Qt/tra, how does identity form?

submitted by HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex from self.GCdebatesQT

sorted by:
top
newinsightfulfun
you are viewing a single comment's thread.

view the rest of the comments →

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Anyway, don't you understand how offensive is it that you think women (the adult human females, you know) are perfectly comfortable and happy with the way we are treated by society and the way we are told we should be?

I never said you were. I said dysphoric tendency plus social messaging that you are wrong for liking the things you like as your sex equals core identity change and indullible trans identity. I didn’t say anything about anyone else.

[–]BiologyIsReal 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

You say the word woman feels right for you because your perceived lack of "masculinity", how is that not reducing women to stereotypes? Lots of women feel insecure for not living up to social expectations. Lots of women have a complicated relation with their body because of things like beauty standards, sexual objectifaction or sexual harrasment, etcetera. By reducing women to stereotypes and denyng how sex does matter your denying those facts. But if you don't think so, then I challenge you to define what a woman is. Let's see if you can do better than saying we are "non men" or "anyone who identify as such".

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

It feels right because it feels right. Like how your name sounds right. It just doesn’t produce an aversion. Not because I am effeminate. Man, by contrast, produces a visceral negative reaction.

I’ve given a list based definition before and you all said it wasn’t sufficient so I’m not going to give you one. Woman feels right, man feels disgusting. It’s really not more complicated than that for me at this point. Leave the analysis to people smarter than me.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Does it genuinely not matter to you that many women have said time and time again that the way you use the word "woman" is harmful and offensive to us? Do the people who this word naturally applies to not matter at all?

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

The word doesn’t naturally apply to anyone. But frankly I’m too tired for the language discussion at this point. To be put simply I don’t think calling myself a woman harms women. Because I am one.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

So… no. It doesn’t bother you that you offend and cause problems for women lol

It naturally applies to adult human females. You are not a woman. All the evidence in the world indicates that you aren’t and there is nothing to indicate that you are. Every time you call yourself a woman it’s a slap in the face to actual women. We can end it here.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Nice to know you think that we are so much below you that using the same word is a slap in the face.

[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's not a slap in the face because we think you are so much below us, FFS. It's because when you call yourself a woman you are taking away the word meant specially and exclusively for us. Leaving us with no word for ourselves, and thus no rights in law or life.

When you call yourself a woman, you are erasing the 6,500 physical differences between males and females that have a such a huge impact on the lives of girls and women.

When you call yourself a woman, you are denying us our "lived reality."

When you call yourself a woman, you are reducing us to a set of misogynistic stereotypes in your own head.

When you call yourself a woman, you are telling us that the ideas and fantasies in your male mind have more validity than the material reality of our female bodies.

When you call yourself a woman, you are forcing yourself into a category where you don't belong.

When you call yourself a woman, you are putting your boot on our necks.

When you call yourself a woman, you are engaging in a threatening male dominance display, marking our territory off as if it were yours by right.

When you call yourself a woman, you are telling us that we genuine women and what we want do not matter one iota - only what males like you and what you males want matters.

When you call yourself a woman, you are showing us that you as a male are boss, that you as a male rule the roost, and we women better STFU and lump it. Same old misogyny just dressed up in different clothes.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A boot on the neck and male threatening display. Absolute madness.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Lmao nice reach. Hope you stretched first.

You’re not below us. You’re just not us. Equal value. Different things.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Then how would sharing a title be a slap in the face?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The title doesn’t apply to you. You are forcing us to share a title that doesn’t even fit you in any factual way. If transwomen are women, prove it. If you can’t, the title doesn’t apply to you and you forcing it is a slap in the face. Also the fact that you call it a title…

Eta- prove it with facts, science. Actually tangible proof. Not your feelings or identity or aversion to not being acknowledged as a man.

[–]Penultimate_Penance 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Woman is not a title. It is an objective reality. Either you are one or you aren't. In an ideal world it would be a boring fact like being brown eyed or blue eyed. It's absurd for a blue eyed person to call him/herself a brown eyed person, much in the same way it is absurd for a man to call himself a woman. Because of sexism and biological reality men and women have very different experiences throughout their lives. To claim that you have the same experiences as women is a slap in the face. You will never fear unwanted pregnancy, menstruate or suffer from a long list of physical experiences that only women can experience. You cannot and should not speak for women, because it is literally impossible for you to know what it is actually like to be one. You and I are not the same. How dare you say that you are.

My physical reality isn't your identity to claim.

[–]BiologyIsReal 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I did not asked you how you personally feel about the words. I asked for a definition. If you want your identity be protected by law, then you should give a more concrete and verifiable definition that "it feels right". How do you justify that you and others like you be grouped together with women? What we do in have in common?