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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Actually, hold on-

Is this even true? Don’t some racist people stop being racist? Don’t some religious people stop believing or convert? aren’t there thousands of other instances where someone can come to change their feelings on something that influenced them their whole life (particularly in formative years)?

Unless you think that gender identity is just so much more of a powerful influence than religion or being raised in a racist environment? If that’s what you think, what is it that makes gender identity so much more significant than other things that contribute to how someone builds their identity and personality?

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Is racism a core facet of their identity? Is religion? If it changes I would bet not.

[–]BiologyIsReal 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ah! The Not a true Scottman falacy! A true classic!

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Why not? Why is it impossible (despite evidence to the contrary…) for someone who based the core of their identity on racism or a specific religion unable (even tho, again there’s evidence that they can and do all the time and you’re ignoring that for the sake of your argument) can’t change?

So everyone whose racist or extremely religious can’t and doesn’t change? Ever? At all?

My husband’s uncle and I had this whole moment where he apologized to me for his racism and his behavior towards me. He did this because he knew I was pregnant with my first kid and he wanted to be there to see his nephew’s family. He claims to love my son and put years of effort into repairing our relationship and the one he has with my husband.

But nah… I guess he’s just a racist who lied. So he could build a relationship with people he hated. Idk people are weird.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I’m not saying he wasn’t a racist I’m saying if he changed that racism wasn’t a core component of his personality.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If think if you’re a skinhead with Nazi tattoos and memorabilia in your home it’s pretty deeply imbedded but say what you need for your argument lol

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I’m not saying he wasn’t a racist I’m saying if he changed that racism wasn’t a core component of his personality.

It's interesting that you're making these claims so soon after the death of former South African president Frederik Willem de Klerk. You think racism wasn't a core part of de Klerk's personality - and the personality of other Afrikaners of his and previous eras?

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I have no idea who that is.

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You're discussing racism and "identity" as though these are topics on which you have expertise, but you don't know who de Klerk is? Oy vey. That's really embarrassing. It's incomprehensible to me that anyone who supposedly cares about "diversity and inclusion" doesn't know who de Klerk is. Especially since a principle of gender ideology is that sex segregation is akin to apartheid.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I didn’t bring up racism. I don’t claim to be an authority on it.

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Okay. Apologies, then. But anyone in any fight for civil rights and concerned about "diversity and inclusion" really should know about the history and principal players in apartheid and especially in bringing apartheid to an end. It's not ancient history, after all. Apartheid was only instituted in 1948, and brought to an end in the early 90s.

The movie "Mandela and de Klerk" starring Sidney Poitier as Mandela and Michael Caine as de Klerk is is worth a look. It's on Amazon. In fact, if you want to learn about successful civil rights movements, I'd recommend watching every film about apartheid, from "Cry Freedom" to "A Dry White Season" "Invictus" to all the Mandela biopics. Mandela was really brilliant when it came to understanding "messaging."