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[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (32 children)

Asking someone to analyze something isn’t equivalent to demanding a change.

If someone tells you they don’t like trains and you ask why it isn’t a demand to change, but a search for analysis.

If your answer is “It takes to long with all the stops so isn’t convenient for my lifestyle” that’s not something anyone is saying change. If the answer is “because poor people ride them and they are diseased” that’s a problematic belief worth addressing and even after changing that problematic belief you may still not like trains for non problematic reasons.

The genital preference thing is similar. If you say you are in to women but not trans women and someone asks why, that’s not demanding change. If the answer is “because I’m not attracted to penises or neovaginas” that’s not problematic. If the answer is “because trans women are men” that is a problematic belief that they may ask you to address, but also leaves open the possibility that you wouldn’t be attracted to trans women even if you addressed that bigoted belief (that trans women are men). They aren’t saying you should sleep with trans women, they are saying that if you exclude trans women you should examine why to see if there is a bigoted belief behind it. No one is saying change, they are saying analyze yourself to see if you have bigoted beliefs which that preference might be indicative of.

The goal isn’t to change the preference. That’s the difference.

[–]penelopekitty 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

Trans women are men. That is a fact not a belief.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

Many people would disagree. Ultimately it’s a semantic disagreement.

[–]penelopekitty 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (29 children)

It is not semantics. Sex is real and cannot be changed. It doesn't matter if some people disagree, they're wrong. Some people think the earth is flat. We know exactly who is a man and who is a woman. Why aren't gay couples hiring trans women as surrogates?

Look, I know you desperately want to believe what you're saying but it's just not true.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (28 children)

It literally is semantics. It’s a disagreement about the meaning of man and woman. It’s in fact a purely semantic question.

[–]penelopekitty 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

Complete nonsense. We all know who is a man and a woman. These are sex based words, they mean something.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

They mean different things to a lot of people than to you.

[–]BiologyIsReal 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Changing the meaning of words don't change the underlaying reality. What is more, save for very rare cases people can easily tell your actual sex regardless of how much effort you put into concealing it. A man calling himself a woman don't make him one. Just like calling himself a cat doens't make him one.

And why should women accept being defined as nothing more than a bunch of sexist stereotypes by males who say they are "women"? Why should we care not to hurt the feelings of said males when it's pretty clear they don't care at all about our feelings and safety?

[–]penelopekitty 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

No. I am a woman. I'm beyond sick and tired of men appropriating this. No man can ever become a woman or female in any sense of the word. The audacity of those who think they can is breathtaking.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Language evolves.

[–]BiologyIsReal 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, language evolves. However, first, this is not a natural evolution of the language, but a top-to-bottom change pushed by trans activists. And second, you cannot change the underlying reality of the sexes by playing word games. You may force everyone to lie by using your sexist definitions for man and woman, but guess what? Males who claim to be "women" are going to still be males from birth to death and, except for very rare cases, people are going to keep recognizing said males as the males they are. And likewise for females who identify as "men".

So, what does this authoritarian and sexist language change acomplish? Not hurting the feeling of people who identify as trans? Why should we prioritize your feeling over anything else? Why should women accept being defined as nothing more than a bunch of sexist stereotypes by males who say they are "women"? Why should we care not to hurt the feelings of said males when it's pretty clear they don't care at all about our feelings and safety?

[–]penelopekitty 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not like this. Nobody gave you permission to steal from women. Create your own words.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

If a lot of people insist that a triangle can have five sides as well as three, does a triangle become two different shapes?

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (19 children)

The meaning of triangle changes, yes.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

You don’t see any issues trying to teach geometry? Everyone should just shrug and say I guess ‘tri’ means any number we want?

Is language still even useful if it cannot communicate specific ideas because it’s all just sounds that mean anything?