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[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

So a persons inherent sexuality could be a bigoted belief?

No, but their feelings could indicate the presence of a bigoted belief. As I said it’s possible to simply not be attracted to trans people without having a bigoted basis.

Would you say it’s acceptable and fine for everyone to never question their sexuality and exclude whoever?

Sure. You don’t have to do anything.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Then what’s the purpose of asking someone to question their sexuality?

They don’t have to, they don’t need to change it, but if questioned they should assess their inherent attractions for bigotry…just to know if their unchangeable attractions are bigoted or not?

Seems like inviting someone to question their sexuality is a very comfy cover for implying all sorts of homophobia like their sexuality being bigoted, without having to actually make any accusations, nearly avoiding any responsibility for the suggestion.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Then what’s the purpose of asking someone to question their sexuality?

To encourage them to understand their beliefs and motives.

just to know if their unchangeable attractions are bigoted or not

Again it’s not the attractions that are biggoted, but they can indicate underlying bigoted beliefs. The attractions aren’t the point.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

To encourage them to understand their beliefs and motives.

The belief and motive, in this case, is "anyone who was born with a penis is not someone I want to date".

They are not refusing to date males who identify as women because "ew, trans are gross!", they are refusing to date males regardless of their "identification" because they are not interested in dating males.

It' s not a belief or bigotry to recognize that males who identify as women are males anymore than it' s a belief or bigotry to know that a redhair who dyes their hair black is a redhead with dyed black hair.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The belief and motive, in this case, is "anyone who was born with a penis is not someone I want to date".

You are assigning specific motives to hypothetical people, but fine let’s examine a hypothetical.

If they think “I don’t want to sleep with someone born with a penis” but also thinks “trans women are women” then that’s not even bigoted, which has been my whole point. You can not include trans women without have a bigoted base belief. What’s hard to understand about that?

As to the rest we are males, just not men.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

As to the rest we are males, just not men.

Which is why I used "males", because I know how much you like your semantic games.

Homosexuality is about sex, male/female. Lesbians are homosexual females, which means that they do not want to date males. So whether they think males who identify as women are women or not is completely irrelevant, because the issue is not their identity or their womanhood, it' s their sex.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

If they don’t think trans women are men then the underlying belief isn’t an issue and the conversation ends. What’s so hard to understand about that?

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What' s so hard to understand in "who I decide to fuck is not your business"?

My issue with this is that there are people who think it' s their responsibility and duty to tell other people to "rethink" the reasons why they don' t want to fuck someone. It' s none of their business who a lesbian spreads her legs for. It' s not a fundamentalist Christian' s when they think that the moral thing to do is to suppress homosexual urges for the greater good, and it' s not a TRA' s when they think that the moral thing to do is to force yourself to believe something you don' t believe in (and consequently sexually behave accordingly) for the greater good.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What' s so hard to understand in "who I decide to fuck is not your business"?

Nothing. No one said it was. I literally don’t care who you fuck. I don’t even care why. The point isn’t interrogation, it’s asking people to examine themselves to see if they have bigoted beliefs they may not be aware of. You know you don’t like trans women and don’t respect our identities. What would be the point of analyzing your beliefs?

The point has never been who you date or getting you to date anyone else. It’s an analytical question to encourage people to understand their own beliefs. It’s not about who you date, it’s why.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Nothing. No one said it was.

Yeah, that' s why so many of these TRAs are saying what they are saying, because they agree that it' s none of their business who lesbians date. 🙄

What would be the point of analyzing your beliefs?

I am not a lesbian, my dating choices are not the ones who are being discussed.

It’s not about who you date, it’s why.

Again, NOBODY SHOULD GIVE A FUCK ABOUT ANY OTHER PERSON' S DATING CHOICES: you said you understand, but you clearly keep whining that everyone should ponder about it.

IT' S NONE OF ANYONE' S BUSINESS!