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[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

They are just doing it to normalize dating them and shaming people who don' t date them. Lesbians are just easier to harrass than straight men.

But once you establish that "convincing" people to rethink their sexual orientation is ok, then you can shame anyone into doing it. Of course some people are, thankfully, more stubborn than others.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

They are just doing it to normalize dating them and shaming people who don' t date them.

I don’t think that’s true. They are doing it to try to fight the beliefs that trans women are men and trans men are women. It’s not about getting dates.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What is more bigoted?

Men are adult human males, what they do or how they present is not relevant to that.Women are adult human females. What they do or how they present is not relevant to that.

   Or

Men are disgusting violent monsters incapable of self control or humanity and women are all amazing beautiful empathy who are good.

[–]BiologyIsReal 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That is a generous take. Clearly circling doesn't think that women are all amazing beautiful empathy who are good or circling would not be constanly accussing women of bigotry.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A wide berth of generosity is the only way I can discuss anything with circling.

[–]BiologyIsReal 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Understable.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

The second you try to guilty trip people into fucking someone they don' t want to fuck, it' s definitely about dates and getting laid.

You can add whatever woke fluff you want to it, but the endgame is always getting orgasms.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

As I said it’s not about getting them to fuck anyone. It’s about looking at underlying beliefs.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

The underlying "belief" is that lesbians do not want to date or fuck males, even if those males are all dressed in pink and call themselves ladies.

NOBODY has any right to be considered attractive or be included in anyone' s dating pools. If lesbians should rethink their "bigotry" about not wanting to fuck males who disguise themselves as women, then they should also rethink their "bigotry" in not wanting to fuck males who do not disguise themselves as women.

Both categories have the same reason for being turned down by lesbians, so why is it that in one case it' s ok but in the other it' s an unthinkable act of exclusione and pettiness as if those males are owed a chance?

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

The underlying "belief" is that lesbians do not want to date or fuck males

Fucked up to take sexual agency away from lesbians like that. Some lesbians include trans women in their dating pools. If you don’t that’s your identity. Putting your standard on other people’s sexuality is pretty messed up to me.

NOBODY has any right to be considered attractive or be included in anyone' s dating pools.

I’ve never said they did. This whole time I have reiterated you aren’t being told to change your behavior, they are asking you to examine your underlying beliefs to see if they are bigoted. That’s not asking up to change your behavior. Hell literally no one thinks I’m attractive and as long as they don’t think I’m a man, I have no issue with that. It’s about underling bigotted belief but who you date.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Some lesbians include trans women in their dating pools.

Lesbian = homosexual female. If you recognize that sex and gender are different as you keep saying, you should also recognize that homosexual people are same sex attracted.

they are asking you to examine your underlying beliefs to see if they are bigoted

The goal of doing that is to "convince" them to change their behaviour.

You are ridicoulous, dishonest and plain evil if you think that "lesbians should second guess the reasont why they don' t want to suck dicks" is a harmless thing done for the greater good instead of an attempt to convertion therapy so that some dicks can be sucked more easily.

I don' t know why I was expecting better, my bad. You are absolutely a terrible person. And the nerve of you to tell me that it' s fucked up to take away lesbians' s agency when you support this bullshit with the usual "nobody is telling you to suck dicks, you just deserve to die in a fire if you don' t".

Get help mask. Seriously.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Lesbian = homosexual female. If you recognize that sex and gender are different as you keep saying, you should also recognize that homosexual people are same sex attracted.

I don’t think that’s how attraction works. It’s not sex it’s other factors that create attraction.

The goal of doing that is to "convince" them to change their behaviour.

No it’s to get them to change present bigoted belief. I’ts not about getting laid.

You are ridicoulous, dishonest and plain evil if you think that "lesbians should second guess the reasont why they don' t want to suck dicks"

Well that’s not what I said. Not wanting to do a particular action isn’t an issue. And, again, asking someone to analyze why they feel a certain way isn’t saying they need to change the feeling or behavior. I don’t know how many times I have to type that.

Your insistence on Turing me into a charicature instead of actually reading what I type is a real ride.

[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don’t think that’s how attraction works. It’s not sex it’s other factors that create attraction.

Of course, it's not how all attraction works. The kind of attraction that occurs in electromagnetism, for example, has nothing to do with sex.

But when we are speaking of sexual attraction amongst humans and other sexually-reproducing organisms, such as the birds and the bees, sex is at the core.

In humans, sexual attraction can be based on - and typically is enhanced or diminished - by many, many other factors in addition to sex. But the fundamental element that's at the heart of sexual attraction is sex. Which is why it's called sexual attraction in the first place.

By trying to take the sex out of sexual attraction, or insisting sex never had anything to do with sexual attraction in humans in the first place, you're not just arguing with "bigots" like me - you're bucking and denying two billion years of biological evolution.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That doesn’t even make sense.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I don’t think that’s how attraction works. It’s not sex it’s other factors that create attraction.

Attraction working that way or not is irrelevant: if a lesbian needs to be told that not dating males needs to be rethought, then it clearly works like that for her.

Your insistence on Turing me into a charicature instead of actually reading what I type is a real ride.

I am reading what you are writing loud and clear "lesbians are guilty of crime thought if they think males who call themselves women are men, and they committ bigotry if that' s the reason why they don' t want to sleep with them".

Your words are turning you into a caricature. It' s always been the case and it will always be. People like you are the reason why many of us are just completely done with feeling any kind of sympathy for males who identify as women. Good job indeed.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No that’s not what I have said at all.

What I said was excluding trans people from your dating pool when their gender would be included might be indicative of a prejudiced belief, like that trans women are men.

No one is saying you have to change your behavior or include trans women in your dating. What they are saying is that you may possess a bigoted belief and you might want to change the belief. The behavior isn’t the point. No one is saying you should date trans women.

You hated trans women long before you ever met me.