Tra/qt how is ‘examine your genital preference’ not homosexual conversion therapy?

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[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

But nobody should tell you to do it, because it' s none of their business.

It' s invasive as fuck to have strangers telling you "you should rethink about the people you don' t want to fuck", especially if the people who tell you that are part of the category you are turning down.

These people are not telling anyone that they should rethink their decision to not date trans people out of goodness or desire to destroy bigotry, they are doing it because lesbians' s refusal means that they are told no more often than yes, and this leads to them not getting laid.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

These people are not telling anyone that they should rethink their decision to not date trans people out of goodness or desire to destroy bigotry, they are doing it because lesbians' s refusal means that they are told no more often than yes, and this leads to them not getting laid.

I don’t think that’s true at all. Hell a lot of those conversations are coming from trans women who won’t even date natal women.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

They are just doing it to normalize dating them and shaming people who don' t date them. Lesbians are just easier to harrass than straight men.

But once you establish that "convincing" people to rethink their sexual orientation is ok, then you can shame anyone into doing it. Of course some people are, thankfully, more stubborn than others.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

They are just doing it to normalize dating them and shaming people who don' t date them.

I don’t think that’s true. They are doing it to try to fight the beliefs that trans women are men and trans men are women. It’s not about getting dates.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What is more bigoted?

Men are adult human males, what they do or how they present is not relevant to that.Women are adult human females. What they do or how they present is not relevant to that. 

   Or

Men are disgusting violent monsters incapable of self control or humanity and women are all amazing beautiful empathy who are good.

[–]BiologyIsReal 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That is a generous take. Clearly circling doesn't think that women are all amazing beautiful empathy who are good or circling would not be constanly accussing women of bigotry.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A wide berth of generosity is the only way I can discuss anything with circling.

[–]BiologyIsReal 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Understable.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

The second you try to guilty trip people into fucking someone they don' t want to fuck, it' s definitely about dates and getting laid.

You can add whatever woke fluff you want to it, but the endgame is always getting orgasms.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

As I said it’s not about getting them to fuck anyone. It’s about looking at underlying beliefs.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

The underlying "belief" is that lesbians do not want to date or fuck males, even if those males are all dressed in pink and call themselves ladies.

NOBODY has any right to be considered attractive or be included in anyone' s dating pools. If lesbians should rethink their "bigotry" about not wanting to fuck males who disguise themselves as women, then they should also rethink their "bigotry" in not wanting to fuck males who do not disguise themselves as women.

Both categories have the same reason for being turned down by lesbians, so why is it that in one case it' s ok but in the other it' s an unthinkable act of exclusione and pettiness as if those males are owed a chance?

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

The underlying "belief" is that lesbians do not want to date or fuck males

Fucked up to take sexual agency away from lesbians like that. Some lesbians include trans women in their dating pools. If you don’t that’s your identity. Putting your standard on other people’s sexuality is pretty messed up to me.

NOBODY has any right to be considered attractive or be included in anyone' s dating pools.

I’ve never said they did. This whole time I have reiterated you aren’t being told to change your behavior, they are asking you to examine your underlying beliefs to see if they are bigoted. That’s not asking up to change your behavior. Hell literally no one thinks I’m attractive and as long as they don’t think I’m a man, I have no issue with that. It’s about underling bigotted belief but who you date.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Some lesbians include trans women in their dating pools.

Lesbian = homosexual female. If you recognize that sex and gender are different as you keep saying, you should also recognize that homosexual people are same sex attracted.

they are asking you to examine your underlying beliefs to see if they are bigoted

The goal of doing that is to "convince" them to change their behaviour.

You are ridicoulous, dishonest and plain evil if you think that "lesbians should second guess the reasont why they don' t want to suck dicks" is a harmless thing done for the greater good instead of an attempt to convertion therapy so that some dicks can be sucked more easily.

I don' t know why I was expecting better, my bad. You are absolutely a terrible person. And the nerve of you to tell me that it' s fucked up to take away lesbians' s agency when you support this bullshit with the usual "nobody is telling you to suck dicks, you just deserve to die in a fire if you don' t".

Get help mask. Seriously.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Lesbian = homosexual female. If you recognize that sex and gender are different as you keep saying, you should also recognize that homosexual people are same sex attracted.

I don’t think that’s how attraction works. It’s not sex it’s other factors that create attraction.

The goal of doing that is to "convince" them to change their behaviour.

No it’s to get them to change present bigoted belief. I’ts not about getting laid.

You are ridicoulous, dishonest and plain evil if you think that "lesbians should second guess the reasont why they don' t want to suck dicks"

Well that’s not what I said. Not wanting to do a particular action isn’t an issue. And, again, asking someone to analyze why they feel a certain way isn’t saying they need to change the feeling or behavior. I don’t know how many times I have to type that.

Your insistence on Turing me into a charicature instead of actually reading what I type is a real ride.