New rule announcement

submitted by BiologyIsReal[M] from (self.GCdebatesQT)

Last week, I said I'd talk with the other mods to ban calling GC users "cis". So, over the weekend the following was added on the sidebar:

Cis is also not permitted. Please use non-trans or other terms in its place.

QT can still use "cis" as a concept, but they cannot call users here "cis" and will have to use another word instead. Because some may have not noticed the changes, we'll ignore any use of "cis" that may have been done before this thread was created.

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[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS[M] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you BiologyIsReal! I don’t expect we will be aggressive with this, especially if someone is new here. Also, it is fine to refer to yourself as cis or cisgender if that is how you identify, just don’t label others.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

What about blanket statements like everyone is cis or trans?

[–]BiologyIsReal[S,M] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Well, everyone includes people on this sub and I've mostly seen this exact phrase used after we state we are not "cis", so I'd say is not allowed. QT would have to say things differently. For instance, "I'm cis because...." or "a cis person is someone who...".

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Those blanket statements are not referring to specific users though.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

How are we not included in “everyone”?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Sometimes GCs say trans men are women and trans women are men. That would be misgendering everyone who identifies as a trans man / trans woman but it's still allowed.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It would be… if men and women were genders. But since they aren’t…

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS[M] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I feel like, similar to misgendering rules, it should be about users and not general statements. I feel if we made it about general statements, we’d have to make misgendering rules that way too to be consistent and I don’t think we should do that. Hopefully, everyone can deal with the occasional QT user using “cis” in a general way. I still think we should discourage any use and that is why I left the language in the sidebar very general.

Part of what we debate is whether is man/woman is a gender word or sex words. Rules shouldn’t be based on seeing that only one way.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Im totally just being petty lol

GB in particular has a habit of insisting that everyone, even the poster she is replying to, has a gender identity.

I think I’d be fine to ignore the blanket statements, but the issue becomes real when people (GB) continue to use the “everyone is cis or trans/has a gender identity” as their main argument even after we literally say that we don’t and not everyone does.

Even pro trans sites don’t list “man” or “woman” as genders, so I think despite be just being petty, technically there is a huge difference with regards to the concept of misgendering when it comes to calling a trans person the sexed term related to their sex and forcing the label of “cis” onto literally everyone who isn’t trans or according to GB, not trans or agender.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If someone is behaving inappropriately, mods can still get involved.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I agree.