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[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

According to you. And if that defines you as a woman cool but stop using your definitions to define me. I consider being called a man an egregious insult but you aren’t shy about plastering it on me. Define yourself stop trying to define me by an accident if genetics

No, not according to me. According to the whole world. I did not invent the definition of woman, just as I did not invent the definition of cow and bull, hen and rooster/cock, goose and gander.

You are the one inventing your own individual definition of woman. And when women say no, you can't have that word, it's taken and it belongs to us, you can't have it, then you come back and insist again and again that woman is your word, that you are going to define it how you want in a way that suits you, and you are going to take it and call it your own because you are the boss. Sorry, this sounds like male entitlement to me!

BTW, I have never called you a man. I have noted that you are of the male sex, you only seem to care about others of the male sex, and you seem to have lot of male entitlement reflective of male socialization and feelings of supremacy.

Whist we all might indeed have ended up as male or female because of "accidents of genetics" like you say, our genetics are not incidental to our physical reality - at all.

Except you explicitly contradicted this when you said health care should be controlled by sex.

But believing that sex matters in health care isn't the same as saying males shouldn't be nurses, SAHDs or do childcare, LOL. It means knowing that the lab reference ranges for males and females in many areas are entirely different, that males and females having heart attacks display different symptoms, that men have twice the chance of needing hospitalization and dying from COVID than women do, and that there are some health conditions - for example, enlarged prostate, hemophilia, pregnancy and cervical cancer - that affect only one sex and not the other. My hunch is that the only reason you are comfortable with the idea of sex being ignored in medical care is because you are of the sex which has traditionally been considered the human norm, that's been focused on in medical research over history, that drugs and treatments were historically tested on, and whose medical problems have received full attention and priority.

You really think all patients should have to answer questions about menstrual and childbearing history when seeking medical care? That before clearing males for X-rays, they should all be given pregnancy tests? That medications and doses should be prescribed without heed to a patient's sex?

You can get a depression, bipolar, bps, and many other mental diagnosis without any physical testing. Gender dysphoria is no different.

But no health care system or insurance plans advises or pays for people with these mental health conditions to attempt to treat those conditions by getting cosmetic surgeries and procedures or by taking massive amounts of sex hormones their bodies are not meant to produce or handle. People with anorexia aren't given liposuction as a treatment. People with depression aren't sent to the cosmetic surgeon to get their mouth sewn into the shape of a smile. People with other kinds of body dysmorphia are not given amputations and augmentations.

Also, people seeking diagnosis for many serious mental health conditions with a competent and thorough diagnostician do have to get physically checked to rule out physical causes for their symptoms. In severe and intractable depression, for example, it's common to do blood work, CT brain scans, neurological testing, and (in the past) the Schilling test, etc to make sure that the underlying issue isn't thyroid dysfunction, a brain tumor, pernicious anemia/B-12 deficiency, Alzheimer's, etc.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Once the male entitlement accusations start, I’m out.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Why? Are you unable to address them?

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Because literally anything I say will just be responded to with “male entitlement”. It’s a pointless conversation.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

So… can you explain how it’s not male entitlement? You accuse us of all types of hatred and transphobia and we always are able to address it. You always end conversations by pretending we’ve said something so egregious you can’t be bothered to respond, but you seem to only say it when you have run out of argument for that particular thread. Because you have no problem responding to the same people on other posts.

It’s not my convo, I just jumped in. But I challenge you to actually address ALL points made to you for like the next week. You can challenge me back for something if you want lol

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

You just deny it. Nothing is addressed. I believe you hate trans people. You say you don’t. You say I’m an entitled male acting in male entitlement, I say that’s not the case. You act like different things are happening there.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Because saying that’s not the case and explaining why and how it’s not the case are two very different things.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

My beliefs are formed from a lived experience of being beaten down at every turn and seeing realities of how the world treats people like me. It’s not male entitlement. It’s the powerless recognizing they are powerless and expressing what they need. You all seem to be operating under the illusion trans people have any power when we don’t. LGBT as a block have power but trans people ourselves can do nothing. Practically straight men hate us and you are part of the voices crying for our only real historical allies to abandon us. As I’ve said before you aren’t obligated to help us but know we can’t help ourselves. That’s not entitlement, it’s the realistic assessment of someone who has seen how powerless we are.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The reason you are being accused of male entitlement is not because you are fighting for yourself.

The idea of it being male entitlement comes from how you are fighting for yourself. The entitlement comes from TW calling themselves women (and some even calling themselves female), it comes from using female spaces when you are not female. It comes from the things you do for yourself that directly impact females, our spaces, our language, and our rights.

Women shouldn’t have everything we established for ourselves undone for you- even if you are incapable of helping yourselves without disrupting our rights, spaces, and languages.

The entitlement accusation comes from your argument of “well we don’t have our own and it’s safer for me to invade yours, so that’s what I’ll do”

I get why you do it- it’s still entitlement because it’s not your space to decide to take.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That has nothing do do with male entitlement and everything to do with survival and reality in the world. People do what they have to when they are beaten down. That’s not male entitlement it’s wanting to live.