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[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It makes more sense to argue why you fit the definition as it exists than to try to redefine it. It just seems like the redefining makes it obvious why it’s happening and makes it pointless.

This is really great point and something that confuses me too. If you have to try to convince people to change the word so you can me a part of it it seems like admitting that you aren’t naturally.

So if the issue is the association with your sex/gender or the fact that you are excluded from actual issues relevant to the sex you wish you were- what’s the point? Further, if you’re trans, why do you want the word "woman" to include male people (or the reverse for tm), if You don’t want to be seen as male at all?

None of the language stuff matters to me, as a trans person, because I’m not seen as a part of that group, but it does matter to me because it hurts women I feel like. I also don’t like being asked to list/state my pronouns places and it’s getting more and more difficult not to. If people want to have preferred pronouns, that is fine, but the rest of us shouldn’t be forced to participate in normalizing it I feel like. Same with "menstruators, chest feeders, uterus havers". I’m so over it.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The pronoun thing is another thing that seems counterproductive to me! If you have to ask/declare, it’s meaningless.

If you have to tell me you’re a she/he/they, you’ve also told me you understand that nobody actually sees you as such.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Totally! If anything declaring pronouns should itself be invalidating, yet people seem to want to do it and ask others to.

[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I think the fact that they were trying to change the definition was only revealed or discovered after all the charm of "it's science" and "lady-brain" and "well, they 'present as' therefore they are" wore off and the incel-to-transcel pipeline was noticed.