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[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

It make words meaningless. It damages your mind by making you state lies you know to be lies as if they were true. It reinforces authoritarianism at the expense of free inquiry and freedom in general. It sucks. Oops, that's not an accomplishment. It makes civil discussion suck, that's an accomplishment. It chips away at your soul, not in a small gradual way but in a real tangible way unless you completely threw away your critical thinking before you first heard any of the gender/QT propaganda.

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That's always been the aspect of QT where I see the most appeal: being able to shape and/or escape reality by making it possible for anything to be anything. But of course that can't really happen if others cannot be controlled, because they are part of reality, too.

[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

I'm not sure if you're saying that what you find most appealing in QT are the same things that drug addicts and drunks find appealing in their addictions or if you are saying that what you find most appealing in QT are the things creatives such as actors or writers find appealing about the kind of immersion into fictional worlds they must engage in to create the works of fiction. Or, do you think both of those are bad analogies?

More frightening though is that in order to engage in that, fiction on that level, one then has a longing for authoritarianism to compel others to play along with that fiction. At least actors and writers invite audiences or present their works to willing audiences and trust that the audience will either enjoy or reject the fiction (at least, healthy creators will do that). Drunks and addicts though, they do tend to make those around them miserable, even their dysfunctional enablers and all those who play along in it, so there may be a common ground between how I'm characterizing the attractiveness of QT and the reality of addiction and the actions of the addict towards those around the addict.

Reality is independent of our perceptions. As far as I know there is no real philosophy or approach to this kind of thing that states reality is what we think it is. Instead I've seen poor translation of ideas or bad interpretations of other's ideas that skip past the idea that we only know what we perceive and thus our mind only recognizes a version of reality that we let in. The difference between our perception of reality and actual reality is important, no amount of wishing or mental gymnastics forces the latter to conform to any individual's or group of individual's version of the former. In some theological circles that approach is making one's own self a god or just 'god', which is actually very common and can manifest itself in as many different ways as there are people.

I don't think you mean what I'm interpreting you to mean, so looking back to the two analogies I present above, addict or creative: what am I not seeing?

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Actually, you saw better than you're giving yourself credit for! I was meaning the creative analogy, and you put that quite well I think. But I can see how your second analogy works, too, but I would say while drug addiction and creative expression are fostered by control, the addict is trying to escape reality more than make their perception of reality real, while the creative individual isn't trying to escape reality so much as bring their fantasies and imagination to life. If control of other people is the objective, then the addict analogy seems more appropriate... but perhaps under the pretense that attendance to the show is optional. For me, the draw isn't control in a general sense, but rather the 'creative control' that the creator has to make fantasy a reality.

I think there is a perception of reality that is being 'manufactured' by QT that makes people think their perceptions designate reality, and that ideas are facts. I like that you bring up the concept of making oneself their own god, I think that's unspoken and intuited by people, and very much why I think TRA and QT are so attractive to people: your perception of reality IS reality!

[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

drug addiction and creative expression are fostered by control, the addict is trying to escape reality more than make their perception of reality real, while the creative individual isn't trying to escape reality so much as bring their fantasies and imagination to life

Well said! Brilliant.

... bring their fantasies and imagination to life. ... your perception of reality IS reality

There are actors who never want to leave the stage, because playing the fiction is so fun. But reality is not our perception of it. A mountain is still a mountain and a river is still a river. Shared delusions might numb, but this is where the addict analogy applies. Everyone around the addicts or those involved in shared delusions are burdens on everyone around them, even their enablers (which are called allies in the woke-land). Ruined lives, ruined reproduction systems, stunted emotional and intellectual growth, and so much more are the fruits from this twisted tree of false-knowledge.

I really think the worst thing that has happened is the internet. The person who finds the reality they are surrounded by ill-fitting find a seemingly vast community of liars lying and misleading them with nonsense. I really think the vast majority can not be happy in the long run regardless of what there appears to be in the short term.

[–]ISaidWhatISaid 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There are actors who never want to leave the stage, because playing the fiction is so fun.

Don't forget really scary instances of this such as in this documentary. I wonder how trans people watch this documentary and what they make of it.

[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All I can say to that video is: yes, that's it or that's the temptation sometimes.

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Ruined lives, ruined reproduction systems, stunted emotional and intellectual growth, and so much more are the fruits from this twisted tree of false-knowledge.

I think the realization of everything that one has done can be too devastating to confront for some. I'm finding it difficult for myself, and that's being stuck in it for nearly my whole life--I can't imagine how difficult it is for others who had mostly normal lives before to realize what irreversible changes have been made. It would make sense that when faced with the prospect of confronting the full reality of what has happened, people would strongly resist that confrontation, and if there are all of these people with amputations and developmental abnormalities from caused by exogenous cross sex hormones, it would make sense that they would fervently police others as well as each other.

That's a good point about the internet, I think that and particularly social media have been arenas for manipulation on a grand scale, and refugees for anyone wishing to escape their own reality. Agreed that probably nothing in the short term can lead to long-lasting happiness or peace.

[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I think the realization of everything that one has done can be too devastating to confront for some.

This is true in other areas of life and for a great many people. But, our actions are not in a vacuum. We were lead to believe certain things, false things about ourselves and others or about circumstances, and we acted. We may have acted selfishly or desperately, both, or flippantly, but we probably learned that behavior from seeing it done to us or to others. A life time of regret is no way to live, but a sober look at one's own life might lead on there if there was nothing else.

If we spent our life chasing our desires and our "passions" (in the not just older but literally ancient sense of the word) instead of mastering them and seeing what's behind them, well very few win that game. I don't know that they are better off for it though.

I remember talking to an older weightlifter and we got philosophical at times. We talked about how "when I was younger I did ..." this or could do that and how calculation ability in math seems to decrease with age as does chess strength. What then, we wondered, is the point of a long life to the person living it? We do not go out in a blaze of glory. Looking back on those who did, we see a waste usually. But why? At the time all I had was the idea that there was something else we could gain or do, that could not be done younger-- I was very fuzzy on it though. I thought maybe there was something we might gain by reflecting on all of it when we were older, if we our minds were not limited by dysfunctions or if we lived well enough to be wise (stoicism I guess is what I'm dancing around). Sharing one's wisdom without concern for shame, either for our failures or our weaknesses or just shame for our misdeeds, didn't really come up, but that seems like something worth coming up with.

People who resist that confrontation with themselves, as you say above, refuse to be humble. That's a real shame. I believe this "true self" people so often run around looking for is there to be found after choosing humility (a tough choice, and elusive even when chosen). Real honest humility is a virtue for a reason, regardless of how little it is respected today. Especially when we think of just how short our lives are, how little of human history we lived through and how that, those cultural norms that are also so fleeting, may have blown us around like a leaf in a tornado. In the end, if we are able to step back and reflect on it: did we rise above it all, all the BS, or were we dragged down into its muck pretending the muck of it all was the point?

I don't know that I have answers (other than what worked for me), other than to say: the muck of it all is not the point, and that my life in this moment of time should not be stained by this moment of time even though it is. I look at the powerful and the rich and the famous, and I find them detestable. I listen to those telling us what to think, who to hate, what to do, and I'm disgusted. And yet I mock, and get angry, I get frustrated, I hold resentments, I pretend I'm not still making up for humiliations I felt so long ago I can't properly remember them.