QT: Is there such a thing as a man wants to be a woman? + 10 additional questions

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[–]BiologyIsReal 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It doesn't stop being a bold claim just because Abigail Shrier said so. Abigail has made a great job on bringing awareness about ROGD, but still she is a journalist, not the one treating these girls. She is also too invested in the idea of "true trans", and I think that is coloring her views. It was very disappointing to read in her most recent article that she seemingly doesn't see how Jazz Jennings and other people like him were basically "transed" by their parents.

She is counting on the social contagion, but even if the number go down it doesn't necessaryly mean the cases of teenager girld suddenly identifying as "boys" will just dissapear. And the comparison with the the emo-craze ends when you take into account there are too many people who are invested in making the "trans" kids and teens a thing. I'm not that optimist to think the factors that have lead to the increase in teen girls disavowing their sex will just dissapear in that short time.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Any time you see gender-neutral language, like 'kids' & 'teens', then you know everyone is imagining boys anyway. "Trans kids & teens" doesn't necessitate the inclusion of girls. Also, so many of them identify as "non-binary", which no one takes seriously, which is probably half the reason they opt for identifying as binary boys.

The fact that ROGD appeared suddenly, recently, when it never used to exist, I think is a pretty good indicator that it will go away on its own. There are underlying problems that cause girls to self-harm in so many different ways. Until the underlying problem is found & solved they'll continue to find new & creative ways to harm themselves. The main problem is institutions sanctioning & assisting in their self-harm. However, veganism is also an identity-craze right now which the whole world accommodates for too, & that's definitely going to become an extinct fad, eventually.

[–]BiologyIsReal 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Gender dysphoria didn't exist before the 20th century, but it's still a thing today even if wen't through a few name changes. Anorexia nervosa is also a social contagion, but it still exists. Actually, girls with anorexia seem to be overrepresented among the girls identifyng as "boys".

I wouldn't dismiss the girls who say they are "nonbinary" because seemingly for many this "identity" is a stepping stone to say they are the opposite sex.

And transactivists absolutely need girls if they want people to overlook the obvious fetishism present in the movement. Teen girls are more useful for that than teen boys. And because girls (and women, too) who claim to be te opposite sex are seen as less menacing, TRA have used them to advance the erasure of single-sex spaces. Furthermore, if there weren't girls and women who say they are anything else than female, how could TRA justify all those "inclusive" terms like "menstruators", "uterus-owners" or "bodies with vagina"?