QT: Is there such a thing as a man wants to be a woman? + 10 additional questions

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[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

1. Is there such a thing as a man who wants to be a woman?

Yes but when someone begins identifying as a woman then they are a woman and vice versa.

2. What’s the difference between men & women?

https://relationship-institute.com/differences-between-men-and-women/

https://askthescientists.com/men-women-different/

3. If “sex & gender are not the same thing” then why do transGENDER people try to alleviate their GENDER dysphoria by taking cross-SEX hormones?

Because presenting as another sex alleviates dysphoria

4. Why is every transgender sex offender male?

Source?

5. If a member of the male sex is trying but failing to pass as the opposite sex, is he “living as a woman” or “living as a cross-dresser”?

Trans men are men and trans women are women.

6. If both gay men’s brains & same-sex attracted transsexuals’ brains have similarities with straight women’s brains, are gay men women, or are same-sex attracted transsexuals gay men?

Source?

7. What word can we use to describe adult members of the female sex, since your ideology insists that ‘woman’ should exclude some adult members of the female sex?

What do you mean? You can use "men" and "women" to describe men and women. If you mean birth sex, you can use "assigned female at birth". "natal female" or "biological female."

8. Isn’t erasing & appropriating the female sex by co-opting the words: ‘girl’, ‘woman’ & even ‘female’ sexist?

I consider trans females to be females so they aren't co-opting anything.

9. a) If the majority of early-onset dysphorics desist before adulthood & end up gay (according to every study on desistance), then isn’t encouraging dysphoric gay kids to transition into being “straight” quite literally gay conversion therapy?

I don't think young kids should be given hormones and surgeries. But pronouns and name changes aren't permanent. Also we do not encourage kids to transition into being straight. We allow them to transition to their desired gender. Trans men can be gay and trans women can be lesbian.

9. b) If desistance is natural & cures dysphoria, while transition isn’t & doesn’t, then why encourage transition & discourage desistance, instead of the other way around?

We don't discourage desistance. If someone wants to detransition or desist altogether, it's their choice. On the other hand, I can find posts where GCs pressure their friends or family members to desist when they don't want to.

https://www.reddit.com/r/detrans/comments/g5lkqo/how_many_years_does_it_usually_take_a_tif_to/

https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/41108/how-can-i-dissuade-a-friend-from-becoming-tif

10. Is exclusive same-sex attraction “transphobic”?

No. You can't control who you're attracted to, and it's fine to refuse to date or sleep with anyone for any reason. But trans gay men have the right to be in gay male spaces like gay bars and trans lesbians have the right to be in lesbian spaces.

[–]SnowAssMan[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

1- by "identifying" you must mean role-playing.

2- include relevant excerpt pls

3- How do cross-SEX hormones alleviate GENDER dysphoria, if "sex & gender are not the same thing"?

4- https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22transgender+sex+offender%22&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjQ5_LR363zAhVmhv0HHV6iC2EQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1172&bih=629&dpr=1

5- Simply referring to male transsexuals as "trans-womxyn" doesn't make them women, you've got to actually prove that they are a) not men & b) women. However, my actual question is still unanswered.

6- https://www.theguardian.com/science/2008/jun/16/neuroscience.psychology

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/brains-of-gay-people-resemble-those-of-straight-people-of-opposite-sex

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14146-gay-brains-structured-like-those-of-the-opposite-sex/

You must have slept through 2008.

7- Again: what WORD for ADULT member of the female sex?

8- Making single-sex terms unisex is indeed co-opting them. Isn't this co-opting of single-sex terms sexism via erasure & appropriation?

9a- Exclusively same-sex attracted male transsexuals are referred to as "straight women" by your cult. You didn't know that?

9b- So why not encourage desistance, exclusively? Why should transition ever be an option?

10- Are you saying everyone has the right to be in gay & lesbian spaces?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

  1. By "identifying" I mean identifying.

  2. Men typically have thicker skin—by about 25 percent, and also have higher densities of the protein collagen. Men also typically have denser, stronger bones, tendons, and ligaments and more muscle mass than women. The second longest finger for most women is next to their thumb —the index finger. But men are the opposite. They usually have ring fingers—those next to their pinkie finger—that are longer than their index fingers. There are differences in the way male and female brains are structured, how they process information, and interact with chemical signals. Some examples: men have more information-containing gray matter, but women have more white matter, which connects different parts of the brain. Also, women have bigger memory centers than men.

  3. It's just semantics.

  4. Most of the the sex offenders from the transgender sex offenders list are trans women, but some are trans men.

  5. There are studies that show men and women have different brain sizes.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/03/210325115316.htm

Trans people have brain size in accordance to their gender identity.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180524112351.htm

  1. Because trans people have dysphoria but cis gays do not.

  2. You can say woman, or cis woman if that's what you're referring to.

  3. Since trans men are men and trans women are women, it's not appropriation.

9a. We use whatever terms the person uses to describe their sexual orientation. If someone says they're straight, they're straight. If someone says they're gay, they're gay. If someone says they're bisexual, they're bisexual.

Also, we don't call them "male trsnssexuals" we call them transgender women if that's what you're referring to.

9b. If someone is genuinely trans, they should not be pressured to desist.

  1. Anyone who physically presents as the sex that space was intended for has the right to be in that space.

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There are studies that show men and women have different brain sizes

You follow this by linking to an article whose title is:

Massive study reveals few differences between men's and women's brains - Neuroscientists conduct meta-synthesis of three decades of research

And which starts out with this:

How different are men and women's brains? The question has been explored for decades, but a new study led by Rosalind Franklin University neuroscientist Lise Eliot is the first to coalesce this wide-ranging research into a single mega-synthesis. And the answer is: hardly at all.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/03/210325115316.htm

The article in the second link doesn't give enough detail to be able to make heads or tails of it. For example, it doesn't say how big the study it's describing was, meaning how many persons' brain scans were compared. Moreover, all the adolescents who were identified as trans were on GnRH agonists (development blockers). Finally, the results of the study hadn't been published & subjected to peer review at the time - the article was just about a a presentation given at a conference. It's not clear if the paper has been published & peer reviewed yet. I have done a search but can't find it. If you have a link, please provide it.

Here's the link to the description of the study presentation from the conference: https://www.ese-hormones.org/media/1506/transgender-brains-are-more-like-their-desired-gender-from-an-early-age.pdf

Someone on Mumsnet says the abstract says.

"In conclusion, we found that boys with GD overall showed neither a typically male – nor female pattern of white matter microstructure, whereas girls with GD predominantly had sex-typical white matter diffusion characteristics with only slight masculinization in fiber organization. Our findings provide new preliminary evidence for the hypothesis that natal boys with GD may have undergone atypical neuronal sexual differentiation and possess certain neurobiological characteristics of their experienced gender."

But the poster didn't give a link. Someone else noted on Mumsnet:

This study found no difference in brains of pre-teens who identified as trans compared to those who did not. But did find there was a measurable difference in the brains of adolescents who were taking the drug triptorelin and those who were not. The abstract ascribes this to the fact those taking triptorelin identified as trans not because they were taking triptorelin - a drug known to impact the brain. Indeed, it is strangely silent on the fact the ‘trans’ participants were taking anything at all...

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3534028-brain-scans-show-differences-in-trans-youth

There's more in the Mumsnet threat. I'm saying they're correct. I have no idea. I just don't think things are as B&W as you think.

Also, many people on your side, including influential experts at WPATH, pooh-poohed the study. Here's just one example:

https://thinkprogress.org/transgender-brain-scan-study-68f9ba4b1c43/