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[–]MarkTwainiac 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Whilst it's true only males can have prostate cancer, I imagine it won't be long before some transmen want to join erectile dysfunction support groups. Just like some of the young ones are now demanding they be included in gay male spheres like bath houses and gay men's beauty pageants, and are also saying it's their right to slag off gay men with homophobic slurs.

Also, in my comment that I forgot to finish, I meant to add I think support groups solely for boys and men are often appropriate too, especially around issues like CSA, substance addictions, sex and porn addiction, fatherhood, divorce support, and helping each other stem their tendencies toward male violence, anger, sex offending, paraphilias and so on. I know a lot of men who in first coming to terms with the CSA they had suffered only felt comfortable disclosing in the company of other males. Later, they could discuss it in mixed company, but not initially.

I get what Obama was trying to do with "My Brother's Keeper," but I agree that he was extremely sexist in setting it up/embracing it without doing something analogous for girls and women. Not cool for a POTUS to be so biased. But despite having two daughters, Obama really seemed to have no concern for girls and women and our rights more generally. Which is why he used the power of the presidency to issue executive orders single-handedly eliminating the right of girls and women's attending US schools to female-only sports and to female-only locker rooms and toilets.

As for programs for LGB kids in schools, my impression is that now most programs are for LGBTQ students, not for gay, lesbian and bi students - and of course they're filled with enbies, kids who claim to be trans as well as to have other newfangled gender identities, along with kids who think having a quirky haircut is on the same plane as being homosexual. Also, in some places it's so popular to be part of the "alphabet people" that the kids who are feeling left out and marginalized are the straights.

I think people can be marginalized and disadvantaged in a variety of different ways. Girls and women across the board are put at a disadvantage because of our sex, or rather because of male attitudes towards our sex and the way society and culture have formed around those attitudes. But just as all girls and women are not on an equal footing with one another because sex is only one axis of prejudice and discrimination, not all boys and men are on the same plane as one another either. Boys and men can be disadvantaged compared to other boys and men - and to some girls and women - due to disabilities, poverty, race, sexual orientation, lack of education, family troubles, CAEs, etc. Also, I think in these sorts of convos, current social class as well as the social class of one's family of origin going back generations - not just current household income - is a huge factor that doesn't get enough attention.

[–]womanual[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Whilst it's true only males can have prostate cancer, I imagine it won't be long before some transmen want to join erectile dysfunction support groups. Just like some of the young ones are now demanding they be included in gay male spheres like bath houses and gay men's beauty pageants, and are also saying it's their right to slag off gay men with homophobic slurs.

Transmen are socialized female, so it's unlikely they will have a big impact on men's overall well being.

Also, in my comment that I forgot to finish, I meant to add I think support groups solely for boys and men are often appropriate too, especially around issues like CSA, substance addictions, sex and porn addiction, fatherhood, divorce support, and helping each other stem their tendencies toward male violence, anger, sex offending, paraphilias and so on. I know a lot of men who in first coming to terms with the CSA they had suffered only felt comfortable disclosing in the company of other males. Later, they could discuss it in mixed company, but not initially.

Why would a man have issues with a woman hearing his story? 99% chance his abuser was another male, and it's unlikely the woman will be pornsick unlike a male listener.

I get what Obama was trying to do with "My Brother's Keeper," but I agree that he was extremely sexist in setting it up/embracing it without doing something analogous for girls and women.

My point is males do not need a program like that just for them. You might as well have a program for straight kids, or able-bodied kids, or kids who weren't victims of natural disasters.

Girls and women across the board are put at a disadvantage because of our sex, or rather because of male attitudes towards our sex and the way society and culture have formed around those attitudes.

Exactly! And their attitudes about our sex will not change just because women stop using their bathrooms.

Boys and men can be disadvantaged compared to other boys and men - and to some girls and women - due to disabilities, poverty, race, sexual orientation, lack of education, family troubles, CAEs, etc. Also, I think in these sorts of convos, current social class as well as the social class of one's family of origin going back generations - not just current household income - is a huge factor that doesn't get enough attention.

Yes, but boys are not disadvantaged due to their sex and that's the point.