Both: What do you think about the arrest in the Wi Spa transgender incident?

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[–]worried19[S] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Not remotely surprised. I knew right away this must have been a bad actor. An actual old-school transsexual with genital dysphoria would never be parading around fully nude in the women's section of a spa. At best, it was going to be someone oblivious and entitled with no dysphoria, and at worst it was going to be a sex offender. I'm definitely not shocked it is a sex offender, nor do I think it's possible to prevent people like Merager from taking advantage of self ID.

What really bothers me is the number of people who attacked the women and girls who were the victims of this incident, going so far as to claim that the whole incident was a transphobic hoax made up for the cameras. Others claimed they were unfairly persecuting some unsuspecting trans woman. I wonder how many of those people, including journalists at magazines like Slate, will even bother to print a retraction. Maybe they'll even double down and insist the person with a long history of sex offenses is innocent after all. That wouldn't surprise me. More likely they'll just ignore it and hope the public forgets. They don't seem to want to acknowledge anything that goes against their narrative.

[–]MarkTwainiac 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

An actual old-school transsexual with genital dysphoria would never be parading around fully nude in the women's section of a spa.

Please worried19 provide proof of all these "actual old-school transsexual" male people "with genital dysphoria" you are constantly going to bat for and from whose case histories you've constructed your composite - and IMO apocryphal - ideal "old school" trans-identified male. You constantly depict these guys as near saints who had/have not a malevolent bone in their bodies and wouldn't hurt a fly, not even to express their "gender identity" and sexuality in a way meant to outrage women, especially women of middle age or after.

Please share concrete info about who these persons are/were, when were they born, what country they came from and/or they lived in, and what proof you have that they had "genital dysphoria" so intense it insured that they would never engage in exhibitionist or other sexually inappropriate behavior meant to unnerve and distress female people.

[–]worried19[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I mean people like peaking and Fleurista and Barbie. True, I am relying on their own reports, but I trust them. They're not the sum total of trans women, I know that, but I do believe transsexuals like this still exist in significant numbers.

[–]MarkTwainiac 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Then please phrase your statements to show that you are speaking about a small number of individuals whom you personally know, or think you know. Instead of making sweeping pronouncements generalizing about a vast community based on your faith-based belief that there's an exemplar "old-school transsexual" figure who can do no wrong and is representative of the "transsexuals" you have decided "still exist in significant numbers."

[–]worried19[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I was specifically referring only to "old-school transsexuals with genital dysphoria." The rest are either trenders or fetishists.