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[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

Is this a debate sub or an interrogation sub?

[–]inkling 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

Geez. I thought asking questions to understand the other side better was welcome. My mistake.

[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

wow then you should be in "ASK GC" which I guess was a sub at the old place until reality became mean and bannable.

You can't on the one hand say to people "this is a debate sub" when we are dismissive of BS, and then also act like it's cool to just interrogate and not debate. You are trolling. That's OK, this really is not used as a debate sub because TRAs and team QT have no valid arguments and never actually debate.

Elsewhere you stated you are surprised at the consistency of the GC view (I'm paraphrasing), well reality is clear once you see it. But I also see when someone articulates it in a less than clear way, the tendency seems to be when they get caught up in some kind of language that is accommodating of the BS, you engage fully using the fuzziness that comes from speaking of things the way QT and TRAs speak of them. You know gender is all BS, regardless of what "gender dysphoria" (better named "sex dysphoria" otherwise where is the incongruity?) or "body dysmorphia" is. You don't say what you think because you know there is no real rationale to any of this. Have fun trolling, kid.

[–]inkling 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Elsewhere you stated you are surprised at the consistency of the GC view (I'm paraphrasing)

No I didnt. I never said anything like this.

[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

you certainly said something very much like that. That's why I stipulated that I'm paraphrasing. You may have deleted it though as you deleted a lot of things.

Good luck trolling and being intellectually dishonest with yourself. You have the freedom to do that, to yourself. We're done here, kid.

[–]BiologyIsReal[M] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

That is enough. You've certainly been engaging in trolling behaviour yourself in this thread. Just say your arguments without breaking the rules.

[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Perhaps I'm unclear on the rules. Can you show me where I'm breaking the rules?

[–]BiologyIsReal[M] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'd think continuely calling someone a troll would qualify as flaming.

[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I only started saying that when I saw what I think is clear evidence of it.

[–]inkling 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

I haven’t deleted any comments, only two posts I thought were inappropriate. Show me the comment?

[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Here is that which I paraphrased: "I did not expect you all to have an organized and agreed upon definition, I expected to hear a variety of answers."

But, regardless: I think you are trolling here. I don't accept where you say "this is a debate sub", and then also say "Im only here asking questions". This is not a questions sub. You do offer your thoughts in some instances though, which I now see as I had to go through your comments to find what I paraphrased. You comments seem fully on board with the TRA and QT way of imagining the world. That's cool, but it seems you mind is made up already. The whole zen emptying the glass before filling it might be applicable.

[–]BiologyIsReal 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

C'mon FlippyKing, it doesn't look good on you taking quotes out of context... Inkling never admired our consistency.

[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I may have misread his comment. Inkling found a red herring in my comments. If anything, grabbing that from what I've typed here while not addressing my points about sex being about reproductive function and about inkling's hiding behind "this is a debate sub" sometimes and then saying "I'm only here asking questions not sharing my own views" (even to the point of MOCKINGLY suggesting someone start a thread about Inkling's views) is a typical trolling tactic we wrestle with all the time here. Inkling addresses nothing of substances at all as far as I've seen. As I see the line score, if this thread were a baseball game, it reads: team GC 9 runs, 14 hits 1 error (mine), Inkling: 0 runs, 0 hits, 25 errors.

I erred. Inkling's trolling, as I see it, bothered me and I kept typing, and inkling found a red herring in it. No gold glove for me this year.

[–]inkling 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

That was in response to someone saying the comments wouldn’t be consistent so why was I asking? And me saying I expected them to not be (and they weren’t, they were very varied). Reading one more comment back would have given you that context. I never said or implied what you think I did

Edit: thanks for giving everyone an example of what I was talking about when I said I was told to stick to debating

[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

opps. I misread your comment. Congrats on finding a red herring.

Care to address the inconsistency you are engaged in where you hide behind the idea that you are only asking questions, and the idea that this is a debate sub? Care to address the fact that you were mocking someone when you refused to state your position on this nonsense by suggesting they start a new topic about your views? Care to explain .. anything? How is an identity "gendered" in such away that it imitates or supercedes sex, when sex refers to sexual reproduction and that reproduction involves two and only two sexes and these have nothing to do with any sense of identity? You found a red herring in what I typed.

Congratulations. It is just that though, a red herring that does not change anything about the topic or what I see as your obvious trolling. I should have been done here but somehow a mod got involved in my reaction to your bs. I think I've address the mod's concerns and leave you thpse last questions above for you to avoid.

[–]inkling 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

Just so everyone knows this is the comment that flippyking has decided was me "mocking" someone:

Me: GC, what makes a person trans?

GC: You tell us what makes someone trans.

Me: But I want to know what you think? Why dont you make another thread asking what I think?

Like I dont even think this needs commentary. The idea that Im "mocking" someone here is actually unhinged. Edit: Keep in mind I had already said elsewhere in the thread what I think makes someone trans and was specifically responding to the idea that I shouldnt ask GC because "theyre not the ones who came up with the concept"

Ive already talked about the majority of the rest of your comment so Im not going to do it again

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

At the end of the day it doesn’t really matter that much how transgender is defined to us. What matters is the erasure of women and our rights. How transgender is defined does not really change the threat posed to women, or how people still choose to gender objects, colours, and behaviours.

The way you phrased the question reads almost as if you expect us to have an organised and agreed upon definition of something that is only loosely and contentiously defined by the very people who say it’s what we should base the running of the world upon.

[–]inkling 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It really only matters to me and my curiosity. I did not expect you all to have an organized and agreed upon definition, I expected to hear a variety of answers. Judging by the hostility to my questions/discussion topics, it doesn't seem like this is an appropriate place for my own personal learning. Its a shame because there aren't a lot of places on the internet that I can interact with "the other side" but Ill keep looking I guess.

[–]BiologyIsReal 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We answered your question, but it's hard to say what makes someone "trans" when we don't believe in this stuff and even QT can't agree on a definition.

If you want to learn what we believe, you could lurk past threads, too.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think you’re interpreting mild exasperation and confusion as hostility. What we think is made quite clear imo, but there is an expectation that you will have a certain level of understanding what gender critical and radical feminism are before engaging in debate.