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[–]censorshipment 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

I don't believe anyone is transgender/transsexual nor nonbinary nor anything else under that umbrella.

I believe people who identify as trans (or the opposite sex without saying trans) are dysphoric... or self-loathing (internalized misogyny, internalized homophobia)... or sexually perverted (autogynephilia).

I can speak from experience as a homosexual female who once identified as a straight guy. I wanted to increase attention to me from women and decrease attention to me from men. Now, I have to worry about increased attention from mentally disturbed, straight males identifying as (trans/nonbinary) women... GOD HELP!!!!

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

Does this mean you accept the Blanchardian model of gender?

Why are gnc males perverts but homosexuals are not? That seems a very morally loaded term.

I am assuming you are a masculine woman attracted to women, possibly feminine women.

Often masculine straight guys are very antagonistic towards femininity in other men. They will call them perverts, straight or not. It's difficult for me not to relate that antagonism in masculine woman attracted to women.

[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Does this mean you accept the Blanchardian model of gender?

I don't get what you mean by "the Blanchardian model of gender." If you are referring to Ray Blanchard, he's a psychologist whose focus has been providing clinical services to, and studying and writing about, grown men who wish they were women. Blanchard has also obtained insight into, and ideas about, such men's experiences and psychology when they were boys, though I don't think he has worked with or studied children directly. His Twitter bio describes him thus:

Researcher in sexual orientation, paraphilias, & gender identity disorders

Though it would be more accurate if he added "among males" at the end. Because I don't think he's ever studied females, treated female patients or paid much or any attention to female people. His interest in "gender identity disorders" in females seems confined to the recent wave of "ROGD" amongst girls and young women. But previously, he's shown no professional interest in female people apart from the different ways that some female individuals, and the female sex as a whole, are factors in the life histories and psyches of his male patients and study subjects.

I don't believe Ray Blanchard has proposed any kind of "model of gender," much less one so novel and distinct that it would warrant the tag "Blanchardian model of gender." He seems never to have questioned, much less carefully examined with a critical eye, the sex stereotypes that constitute gender at all, in fact. Blanchard is very much a sexist, or genderist to use the current term. He's also a male supremacist who seems utterly blind to the existence of, experiences of and views of girls and women; he sees girls and women as his male patients see us - as projections of male fantasies; as objects of male desire, animus, envy and covetousness; and as service humans whose purpose is to be useful to men. He does not understand that we are human beings in our own right who exist apart from males' projections, desires and feelings.

Blanchard said on Twitter a couple of weeks ago that he'd just realized that "gender critical" means being critical of gender itself, meaning the sexist sex stereotypes, roles, social norms, rules of conformity and hierarchical power relations that dictate and, presume the inevitability of, male superiority, dominance and importance and female inferiority, subservience and insignificance. On 13 August he tweeted:

I stumbled across this concise definition of “gender critical” this morning. It implies that the “gender critical” position is not solely (or primarily) about transsexualism but is also a theory of the origins of sexually dimorphic behavior in normal human males and females.

This is the definition he was referring to:

Gender critical: those who believe biological sex is real, and in humans bimodal, but gender is merely a social construction. They criticize the belief that people are intrinsically gendered, and they criticize traditional heteronormative gender roles.

Of course, there's a glaring error in the above definition: "gender critical" people believe that sex is binary, not bimodal. But that aside, it's very telling that until mid-August 2021 Blanchard was operating under the wholly mistaken impression that the "gender critical" position is "solely (or primarily) about transsexualism." Which means Blanchard must have been asleep in the 1960s, 70s and 80s when the women's liberation movement was in full flower, and he is thus wholly unfamiliar with the core ideas of second-wave feminism. And which also means that Blanchard hasn't been paying any attention whatsoever to what feminists have been saying in the so-called "Terf wars" of the past decade either. One woman responded:

Is your post in earnest? You only just realised that? I am still amazed at the number of people who seem to be deeply embedded in this debate but haven't taken the time out to understand what the GC position is.

Blanchard did come up with a typology of male transsexualism/transvestitism in which he posited that the men who wish they were women are heterosexuals with autogynephilia (AGP) or homosexuals with internalized homophobia (HSTS). This typology is usually presented as an either-or, but I believe that those who think Blanchard's typology has merit have always observed that many homosexual men who identify as women are also AGP, and that this is especially the case of HSTSs today. But Blanchard's typology of men who wish they were women can hardly be described as a "model of gender."

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

It seems pretty directly that Blanchardianism is a model of gender. When he describes gender disorders it reflects his wider model of gender. I would think any description of gender disorders is going to reflect a wider model of gender. It's hard for them not to be related.

For males it's saying masculinity is always connected to gynephilia and femininity is always connected to androphilia. That's a pretty direct position on gender in males.

He seems to edge around committing to the female version.

GC is in a position of saying they don't like Blanchard, don't like his values and disagree with him apart from the bits where he calls straight transwomen gay men and lesbian transwomen perverted paraphiliacs.

GC likes the moral position of calling people perverts.

There are Blanchardian cis women who believe they are autoandrophiliacs. I'd say there are people who fit some of that evidence. Where is GC on that? I guess GC will call them perverts as well. Which of course means there are female "perverts" after all.

Maybe I think GC is too broad a term and we really could do with refining the schools of thought.

This typology is usually presented as an either-or, but I believe that those who think Blanchard's typology has merit have always observed that many homosexual men who identify as women are also AGP, and that this is especially the case of HSTSs today. But Blanchard's typology of men who wish they were women can hardly be described as a "model of gender."

Or maybe Blanchard is wrong. I mean you are saying you think he's wrong in some ways.

I think he captures aspects of "gender disorders" but I don't think ultimately holds entirely up. I do agree that his ideas are often connected to fairly misogynistic ideas about men, women and sex. It's often a very masculine male understanding of sexuality IMHO.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

It’s a model of a paraphilia not a ‘gender disorder’ goddamn dude.

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (9 children)

His twitter bio says "Researcher in sexual orientation, paraphilias, & gender identity disorders"

His theory is that gay men are naturally feminine. As in the gender bits that gender critical is critical of are natural and that autogynephilia is not strictly a fetish but a sexual target error.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Why does his Twitter bio mean that the agp theory is a theory of gender disorders lmao. That’s complete nonsense.

I feel you have surely misinterpreted the theory of agp.

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

What have I said here that's wrong?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I disagree that it’s a typology of gender disorders and is a model of a paraphilia. Sorry bro thought that was clear.

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Do you class HSTS as a gender disorder?

What would you compare "agp" to?

[–]censorshipment 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Well, males are perverted in general... but the straight male is an apex (sexual) predator, and that's more apparent when paraphilias are involved. The trans woman openly shows perversion and calls anyone who sees it for what it is a bigot. This is typically what white trans women do though... call you a bigot for calling them out as perverted... to be seen as victims of hate. It's a scheme to make perverted white males (who don't identify as "cisgender") a marginalized majority group. The best example of this is trans women being sent to women's prison where women cannot escape the perverted rapists... it's like putting one snake into a cage with mice, but the snake is considered a marginalized species.

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

What do you think causes perversion in men?

[–]censorshipment 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Testosterone.

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Do you think testosterone only causes perversion or do you think it has other behavioural effects?

[–]censorshipment 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

This is your follow-up question? I think testosterone is the root of all problems. If billions of human males didn't exist... the whole planet would be better off, the entire female population (of all creatures) would be thriving.

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I can't tell if this is serious or not.

[–]censorshipment 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes.

[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

what is the "Blanchardian model of gender"? As far as I know, his work was about AGPs, not gender. The every-shifting concept of gender might not have even crawled up out of the sewers yet when he was discovering it. It certainly is not the same concept it was when Butler started publishing her BS, and she's shifted her arguments over time to keep the grift going the way a surfer follows the wave before it comes crashing down.