For people who think bathrooms should be segregated by birth sex, are passing trans men entitled to use the women's bathroom?

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[–]adungitit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Most rapes don't happen in public restrooms, and most victims know their rapist.

Oh my friggin god, the reason for this is not because strange men are all lovely proper gentlemen who'd never prey on women! Countless women experience strange men creeping on them all the fucking time, so these men are absolutely not some figment of their hysterical imagination! Of course that when women are so extremely weary of strange men all their lives (for a damn good reason) that they're going to be victimised by the men who they know and let their guard down around, and no shit that assaults rarely happen in female-only spaces where the mere presence of men is forbidden and alarming! jfc it kills me that people will literally use the limited measures that women use to protect themselves from ever-present male violence as evidence that male violence isn't a thing and that women are just making their victimisation up.

being out in public has risks.

Being in private also has risks. So, guess you don't need a door and a lock on your house, right? After all, you're being very exclusionary and bigoted towards others with that, treating them all as criminals. Are you advocating for the removal of those protections? I mean criminals can break into your house anyways, so what's the issue?

Also funny how just being in public is overwhelmingly risky specifically for women due to specifically male violence, and this has been the case throughout history and still is in many places, to the point of women being punished severely both by their male relatives and male strangers if they dare leave the house on their own. But I'm sure that's just the feminazi being hysterical and conspiring to rewrite history again. Women have done the same to men, after all, right? I mean, I'm sure they did...at some point...uh...Well, it's just people being assholes, right? And the identities and rights of the victims and their aggressors just happen to consistently go the same way out of a really funny and weird coincidence, hahaha!

But that's what you do when you're the victim of a crime.

OR you can actually advocate and receive certain protections so you lower your chances of being a victim of a crime. Like how you can put doors with a lock on your house and other security measures. But tell us again if you're keeping your doors open and letting strangers freely into your house. I'm dying to know. After all, you can just call the police afterwards.

Being against sex-segregated spaces ≠ hating other women.

Advocating for the removal of women's protections against the ever-present violence ruining their lives is misogynistic, and no amount of you just claiming it's not can change that. If your priority is endangering and blaming the victims of male violence even more instead of actually preventing male violence from happening in the first place, you are a part of the problem. "I'm not sexist, but..." is not the fool-proof disclaimer you think it is.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh my friggin god, the reason for this is not because strange men are all lovely proper gentlemen who'd never prey on women! Countless women experience strange men creeping on them all the fucking time, so these men are absolutely not some figment of their hysterical imagination! Of course that when women are so extremely weary of strange men all their lives (for a damn good reason) that they're going to be victimised by the men who they know and let their guard down around, and no shit that assaults rarely happen in female-only spaces where the mere presence of men is alarming! jfc it kills me that people will literally use the limited measures that women use to protect themselves from ever-present male violence as evidence that male violence isn't a thing and that women are just making their victimisation up.

I personally experienced sexual harassment multiple times while out on the streets. For instance, men telling me I'm sexy and asking me to go to their home for sex. I've never been attacked or raped yet.

Being in private also has risks. So, guess you don't need a door and a lock on your house, right? After all, you're being very exclusionary and bigoted towards others with that, treating them all as criminals. Are you advocating for the removal of those protections? I mean criminals can break into your house anyways, so what's the issue?

Your home is your own private property so you should lock the doors to to prevent break-ins. Businesses and other places open to the general public have no business excluding anyone based on race, sex, disability, etc.

OR you can actually advocate and receive certain protections so you lower your chances of being a victim of a crime. Like how you can put doors with a lock on your house and other security measures. But tell us again if you're keeping your doors open and letting strangers freely into your house. I'm dying to know. After all, you can just call the police afterwards.

I don't agree sex-segregated spaces necessarily lower your chances of being a victim of a crime. I advocate for other crime prevention measures, like police taking intimate partner violence seriously or more funding funding for CPS because children are often not removed from abusive homes.

Advocating for the removal of women's protections against the ever-present violence ruining their lives is misogynistic, and no amount of you just claiming it's not can change that. If your priority is endangering and blaming the victims of male violence even more instead of actually preventing male violence from happening in the first place, you are a part of the problem. "I'm not sexist, but..." is not the fool-proof disclaimer you think it is.

That is your opinion. We can agree to disagree. Anyway, according to a PPRI study, 51% of men support requiring transgender individuals to use bathrooms corresponding to their assigned sex at birth, compared to 40% of women. Are these 60% of women misogynistic? Most women don't mind sharing a restroom with people AMAB, in fact 10% more than men don't mind sharing a restroom with people AFAB.