For people who think bathrooms should be segregated by birth sex, are passing trans men entitled to use the women's bathroom?

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[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You know why it’s unlikely you’ll be raped in the ladies toilets at the club? Cause men are barred. You can try and argue around that but it’s true. Letting men/transwomen (same damn thing) in is taking away that safety for no reason other than a few people with hurt feelings and nothing else important going on in their lives or minds.

You said that women can go to the police or security if they are attacked, at what point of the attack do you think women can leave to get help? How do you justify endorsing a system that implies that it is better to try and prosecute a rapist or otherwise violent attacker after allowing them access to victims? How do you justify taking away protections? Do you not know what prevention and protection mean? Nobody gives a fuck that you will totally prosecute a pickpocketer on the subway. Being pickpocketed does not leave you bleeding, dehumanised, maybe beaten to within in inch of your life, possibly pregnant, possibly with a disease, and traumatised. Rape kits are backed up for years rendering prosecution nearly impossible, the attacker may be part of the law enforcement, the attacker may have not been recognised, there’s rarely a witness making prosecution harder, the victim may be under duress not to report the crime due to their own involvement with illegal activities, the victim may not report because of fears of retribution, the victim may try and report and share my own experience of being told I shouldn’t have been drunk and asking if I was wearing something more revealing before I went to the station while rolling their eyes at you.

You are downplaying rape as either not a real concern or as an inevitability on the level of being mugged or shouted at in a large city. That action by itself screams misogyny.

It’s all well and good for you to say you aren’t but that’s simply untrue.

Sure, you don’t hate women you just find it acceptable to give our spaces to men who masturbate in them. Very supportive to women. You don’t hate women, you just support seemingly any movement that will take away out protections and rights.

[–]adungitit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah, even if we got rid of the rape-culture in law-enforcement (already a tall order), the extreme frequency of male violence and creeping on women and the inherent difficulties of prosecuting these acts already renders any hope of justice for the majority of the cases impractical and futile, let alone the slew of cases that would happen if women lost any protections. Though actually what would more likely happen is that we'd get women traumatised and fearing leaving the house and being in public even more than they already do, but we could at least rest easy knowing that some male trans person will use their hermit ways as evidence of having a female brain.

The only way for spaces meant to protect women from male violence to stop existing is for male violence over women to stop existing. Calling women misandrists and bigots for needing spaces away from male violence in situations when they're vulnerable to it the most, and advocating the removal of their protections for that reason...I just have no words for how sick that is.

It’s all well and good for you to say you aren’t but that’s simply untrue.

Ok but what if they identify as a not-misogynist?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Oooooh and what if the rapists don’t identify as rapists?

[–]adungitit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well, I'd hate to ever disrespect anyone's identity, that's like the most traumatising and abusive thing one person could do to another.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You’d think so but actually you can just find the police, and prosecute them to the full extent of the law for that, which removes all the trauma and dehumanisation.