For people who think bathrooms should be segregated by birth sex, are passing trans men entitled to use the women's bathroom?

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[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

https://www.womenarehuman.com/male-transgender-youth-arrested-for-raping-4-year-old-girl-distributing-videos-photos-of-the-act-jakob-dakota-nieves/

https://www.womenarehuman.com/transgender-sexual-offending-context-is-all/

https://www.womenarehuman.com/man-wearing-a-dress-and-wig-jailed-for-masturbating-in-three-different-stores/

How many articles of proof that the statement ‘transwomen are not a threat’ is false would you like? I can link you to this all night.

https://www.womenarehuman.com/male-transgender-convicted-of-sexually-abusing-a-10-year-old-girl-miguel-michelle-martinez/

https://www.womenarehuman.com/male-teacher-now-transgender-demands-access-to-washroom-for-elementary-school-girls/

https://www.womenarehuman.com/man-dressed-like-a-woman-repeatedly-recorded-women-in-mixed-sex-restrooms-richard-rodriguez/

https://www.womenarehuman.com/male-transgender-arrested-for-spitting-attack-following-complaint-about-his-presence-in-female-restroom/

https://www.womenarehuman.com/transgender-activists-protest-law-banning-flashing-of-genitalia-in-restrooms-locker-rooms-change-rooms/

https://www.womenarehuman.com/transgender-admits-restroom-sexual-attack-voyeurism-against-adolescent-girls-katie-dolatowski/

https://www.womenarehuman.com/university-of-toronto-gender-neutral-restrooms-partially-reversed-after-female-students-recorded-in-shower/

https://www.womenarehuman.com/male-transgender-person-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-teen-in-walmart-restroom-alicia-gray-nee-sean-ojeda/

https://www.womenarehuman.com/man-transsexual-arrested-for-assault-on-pregnant-woman-in-restroom/

https://www.womenarehuman.com/male-teacher-confesses-to-wearing-wig-cross-dressing-to-film-women-in-restrooms/

https://www.womenarehuman.com/male-transgender-boasts-of-harassing-women-in-crisis-shelter/

https://www.womenarehuman.com/politician-who-advocated-mixed-sex-restrooms-changing-rooms-accused-of-sexual-activity-with-a-child-david-smith/

https://www.womenarehuman.com/repeat-sexual-offender-arrested-for-dressing-like-woman-to-sneak-into-school-geoffrey-kelley/

https://www.womenarehuman.com/transgender-equality-officer-attacks-teen-girl/

https://www.womenarehuman.com/womens-refuge-allows-male-transgender-who-threatened-to-kill-his-female-partner/

Really inkling, I’d love to know how these women weren’t harmed by the men on the article here.

https://www.womenarehuman.com/male-trans-pedophilia-rape-history-sexually-attacks-women-at-homeless-shelter-christopher-hambrook/

https://www.womenarehuman.com/transgender-proponent-of-mixed-sex-showers-locker-rooms-raped-deaf-woman-johanna-wolf/

https://www.womenarehuman.com/transgender-shauna-sean-smith-target-store-voyeur-records-video-of-teen-girl-undressing/

https://www.womenarehuman.com/transgender-rights-activist-chad-sevearance-turner-has-history-of-sexually-abusing-children/

https://www.womenarehuman.com/male-cross-dresser-records-women-in-restrooms-jason-pomare/

https://www.womenarehuman.com/women-in-shelter-forced-to-shower-with-man-who-identifies-as-transgender/

How are we the ones lacking morals again?

[–]inkling 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Do you have any studies that review the evidence? I mean I'll look at these links but they seem to all be from the same website which clearly has an agenda. I was hoping for something more substantial.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Those are all media links about real life cases. If you actually looked you’d see the sources are included in the articles.

Please answer the questions throughout.

[–]inkling 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

So no? Because I'm pretty sure you can cherry pink individual instances to back up any position.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

How many instances of attacks like the ones I showed you are acceptable? Or you you think information from the American department of justice is all just propaganda?

Why are you ignoring the questions I asked of you whilst demanding a study? Especially when your own studies are either paywalled or what a few psychologists compiled after looking at cherry picked websites?

[–]inkling 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

No attacks are acceptable but there is no way to prevent all attacks. Im not "demanding" anything, Im asking. I think Im being civil. What to you suggests otherwise? Im not the one calling others idiots and acting like they cant comprehend arguments. Thats your side. Why shouldnt I want a study? If you cant access my first study there is a review of it in the article I linked.

Would you please reask your questions that you want answered? Some of them seem kind of vague to me.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Where did I call you an idiot?

How many women enduring crimes like the ones I linked you to is an acceptable number?

At what number of attacks does it become acceptable for women to disallow transwomen and all other men from their spaces again?

How precisely are we the ones supposedly lacking morals because we want these sorts of attacks prevented?

What exactly is morally good or correct about male feelings being soothed via allowing their access when the crimes I listed above happen because those men were given access to women’s spaces?

[–]inkling 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I said your side, not you.

I dont think there is an acceptable number of any kind of crime, but we dont live in a world where its feasible to prevent all crime.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Don’t hold me responsible for someone else hurting your feelings. We’re adults. This is not a playground and we are not picking sides. If you can’t engage with me whilst thinking of me as an individual and my arguments as my own you can get to fuck tho.

Crime is not totally preventable so we should not try to prevent any?

So then we should also abandon locking doors and cars, all self defense, sex offender registration and anything else that hinders crime.

[–]inkling 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is not a playground

Coulda fooled me. Some of you are acting like middle schoolers. Youre right, were adults and this is a debate space, civility is expected. My feelings arent hurt, I'm just surprised as this is not the environment I'm used to in debate spaces.

Crime is not totally preventable so we should not try to prevent any?

This is quite a leap. We shouldn't try to prevent crime that hasn't been proven to happen on any meaningful level (no one has been able to provide actual data about rate of instances, just cherry picked articles) and if those "preventions" actually have proven negative effects on others.