For people who think bathrooms should be segregated by birth sex, are passing trans men entitled to use the women's bathroom?

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[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

They do, but obviously transmen who manage to legitimately pass have made extensive efforts to look like they do not have that right.

[–]worried19 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

But what about detransitioners? They shouldn't be exiled from female spaces for a mistake that they made in the past. In some cases, it was not even their choice. Some of them were transitioned as minors before they could give meaningful consent.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No, they shouldn’t be exiled. But the world is not perfect and very occasionally shit will happen. They still have a right to be there but it’s silly to act like other women are bad if they see someone with a beard and no breasts and think the person is a bloke for a moment.

[–]worried19 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I agree that if someone appears to be a biological male due to testosterone use, the situation may occasionally be awkward and require further explanation. I've never taken hormones, but it's my choice to have short hair and dress in men's clothes. I realize people might not immediately recognize that I'm female as a result. I just want detransitioned women to feel that female spaces are still for them.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We’d all like that but again, if someone makes every effort to not look like their sex, they really aren’t in much position to get annoyed if they are seen as the opposite sex.

Like, I’ve never seen a really butch woman and thought that’s a man. They still have women’s bodies even if they are a large woman with small breasts.
I’m not sure it’s a huge issue that effects thousands daily. The most butch women are still visibly women. One or two dipshits who can’t comprehend that women’s hair can be shaved off aren’t exactly preventing huge swaths of visibly gnc people from using a toilet or change room.

I think we’d all be happier if people didn’t see clothes and hair as sexed, because it’s a stupid concept and causes issues like this one, but we have to be realistic.

If I go to Kmart wearing the Kmart uniform I can’t get shitty if I’m asked where the towels are, yknow?