For people who think bathrooms should be segregated by birth sex, are passing trans men entitled to use the women's bathroom?

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[–]adungitit 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Do you think conservatives and radical feminists will be okay with trans men who pass using the women's bathroom and not harass them at all?

Women fearing male presence in their spaces and policing female spaces to keep men out is not "harassment".

This problem would be easily solved if people's IDs accurately reflected their sex. Women are right to call you out if they think you're a man violating their spaces, and you could clear this misunderstanding by confirming you are female. Your argument is like saying that we shouldn't have any restrictions on selling alcohol and cigarettes to minors because a small number of kids can be mistaken for adults.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, pretty much. I think there could still be cases in which some women would wonder why "a man" is in a women' s bathroom, but if we all had the certainty that only females were allowed in women' s spaces, then not only most of those complainers would probably stop having issues, but also, they would be silenced immediately because those male-presenting-women would have the same rights as them to be there.

As long as we allow sanctioned lies on official documents, problems will keep happening.

[–]adungitit 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As more women become gender-nonconforming (which is a good thing), I have no doubt we will see these misunderstandings happen more and more. Misunderstandings don't render sexed spaces unnecessary or ineffectual, however.

[–]inkling 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Women fearing male presence in their spaces and policing female spaces to keep men out is not "harassment".

I didn't say it was. I was asking if you thought it would lead to actual harrassment.

[–]adungitit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Ah, so, you're just asking a stupid and pointless question to which we both know the answer is "no".

See, the whole problem with this idiot act is that, if you expect everything you say to be taken literally, in the most limited capacity and not be considered for what it actually is, you end up sounding even dumber than if you'd stuck to the original question.

[–]inkling 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ah, so, you're just asking a stupid and pointless question to which we both know the answer is "no".

Clearly not if I'm asking? And other people are confirming that yes, it might lead to harrassment, so its obviously not as clear cut as youre making it out to be.

See, the whole problem with this idiot act is that, if you expect everything you say to be taken literally, in the most limited capacity and not be considered for what it actually is, you end up sounding even dumber than if you'd stuck to the original question.

Can you debate without resorting to middle school insults?

[–]adungitit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And other people are confirming that yes, it might lead to harrassment

Because they said women mistaken for men will be confronted in their bathrooms? So, we're back to the thing that you claimed wasn't harassment, but it now is? Or are you going to do the whole "I didn't literally say anything" dance, so it'll basically be that no-one is saying anything at all and we're all just putting random letters down?

Can you debate without resorting to middle school insults?

Debate cannot be had when you're intentionally sabotaging it with these tired tactics. And such tactics are worthy of every contempt, as well as the person employing them. If the person stops employing them, my contempt and disregard for such bs will also stop.