How can you tell if someone is expressing their actual gender identity?

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[–]ThatsmeisabelleUncompromISAble 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Imo gender identity as a concept in academics and identifying as in gender identity are distinctly different.

A gender identity as in a part of conciousness/subconciousness creating strain on the psyche and pushing people to transition is kind of testable to some extend by therapy and diagnose while the identification itself is not testable at all unless you mean testing if people believe the identification signifier they chose themselves based on said strain. Its a disorder and gender identity tries to give us a frame of reference, a concious like concept we dont know enough about yet, but helps us theorize.

Imo identifying as x or y is just a personal completion of this strain and transition routes we take and fairly nebulous.

I myself identify for practical and utility purposes, consistency and a nice time in society because of how the body i am now happier about looks after transition. While i respect people's identities, imo it would be socially stupid for me to identify as either a man or non binary and cause all kinds of problems i have no time or energy for.

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Imo gender identity as a concept in academic and identiying as in gender identity are distinctly different.

I wholeheartedly agree with that. The word 'identity' is what seems to obfuscate things and make it appear as if those were the same things.

Imo identifying as x or y is just a personal completion of this strain and transition routes we take and fairly nebulous.

Is that a formal identity then that one takes on? Like something one would announce or disclose?

I myself identify for practical and utility purposes, consistency and a nice time in society because of how the body i am now happier about looks after transition. While i respect people's identities, imo it would be socially stupid for me to identify as either a man or non binary and cause all kinds of problems i have no time or energy for.

That's interesting, so you don't formally identify as anything? I believe you said you were MTF in another comment, I'm curious how you conceptualize yourself if that's the case. It seems like actually forgoing a formal identity or making claims to one would be the most honest approach, like just letting one's actions speak for themselves like Houseplant touched on.

[–]ThatsmeisabelleUncompromISAble 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is that a formal identity then that one takes on? Like something one would announce or disclose?

I would say that while gender identity may push people to transition, there is no direct correlation between transition wishes and the identity people announce, which makes the identity more nebulous. A non binary person and a trans man could have the same transition path for example(which would seem to suggest the same gender id) but identify differently in society

That's interesting, so you don't formally identify as anything? I believe you said you were MTF in another comment, I'm curious how you conceptualize yourself if that's the case. It seems like actually forgoing a formal identity or making claims to one would be the most honest approach, like just letting one's actions speak for themselves like Houseplant touched on.

I identify only as myself intrinsicly but do ofcourse use labels to communicate within society. Just a body with labels. Mtf seems to communicate my transition proces, woman i use because thats what expected/ the perception in general with my body in day to day life and has the least friction. I value consistency and being able to just live my life in society, so i do use and defend the labels i use.