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The Emmys are coming up and it got me thinking:

Do you think it’s fair for MJ Rodriguez to be nominated alongside female performers? Or for any male to be nominated in female categories/female in male categories?

Do you think MJ will win? Why/why not? And how do you feel about it?

Bonus because I’m super bored:

Do you think trans actors should be able to play characters who aren’t trans (but are the opposite sex)? Do you think actors who aren’t trans should be able to play trans characters?

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[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

There’s a message sent when the rich and famous award a woman’s trophy to a man and the message is that women don’t matter here.

As for who can act a role, I dont care that much tbh. As long as the actor doesn’t distract from the story I’m ok with it.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

I agree. As far as acting, I think whatever role should go to who is best for it, and that not distracting from the story (for whatever reason) is a factor in whether someone is right for a role.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, idc who plays a role as long as they do a good job. And aren’t a huuuge creep tbh

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

But a cis man playing a trans woman is almost never right for the role. It turns the role into a joke if it’s a serious movie and a total insult if it’s light hearted.

Like Matt Bomer playing a trans woman is distracting from the role. Jared Leto playing a trans woman is distracting from the role.

Can you honestly name one portrayal of a trans woman by a cis man that wasn’t an absolute joke or insult?

The closest I can think if is Redmane in the Danish girl but even then it’s really only because half the movie is pretransition.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

I honestly feel like when I see women play transwomen it’s done as a joke. I’ve never seen a woman cast as a TW in a situation where it wasn’t done for laughs. Even Always Sunny casting a female was done to make the “fact” that the character was trans a bigger punch line.

I thought Leto (as well as Redmane- fair point about it mostly being pretransition tho) was fantastic. I think it’s a huge stretch to say Jared Leto didn’t nail that role- and I’m not even a Jared Leto fan. I don’t know what Matt Bomer role you’re referring to, to comment.

I think it’s odd to have females play transwomen or TW play females. It’s super awkward to me and just feels like trying to appease people. Like it doesn’t feel genuine. The TW playing a woman on the L Word reboot just came across as trying to appeal to the Q+ kids (the whole show does actually but particularly Jaime Clayton). I think if a TW is best for a role and the character doesn’t have to be female they should just change the character to trans because otherwise all the audience is going to focus on is the fact that the actor is trans (if the actor is out, if they aren’t out and they pass then it’s irrelevant because nobody knows a trans person has been cast). On a personal level I don’t care who plays what, but I think from a story telling perspective, it inevitably matters to most audience members.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

I’ve never seen a woman cast as a TW in a situation where it wasn’t done for laughs.

Transamerica and always sunny are the 2 that come to mind and both are just a parade of dick jokes. Hideously offensive. Better than dudes playing us but still awful.

I thought Leto (as well as Redmane- fair point about it mostly being pretransition tho) was fantastic. I think it’s a huge stretch to say Jared Leto didn’t nail that role- and I’m not even a Jared Leto fan.

Subjective to taste I suppose. I thoroughly disagree and literally had to turn off the movie because I couldn’t stand him.

I don’t know what Matt Bomer role you’re referring to, to comment.

In anything he plays a nonpassing trans sex worker that falls for a man 20 years her senior and not actually attractive because her life is so sad that she latched onto literally the first person who showed her any kindness. The entire premise is awful but made even worse by the fact she is played by a frankly very masculine man. It plays like a joke.

I think if a TW is best for a role and the character doesn’t have to be female they should just change the character to trans because otherwise all the audience is going to focus on is the fact that the actor is trans (if the actor is out, if they aren’t out and they pass then it’s irrelevant because nobody knows a trans person has been cast).

The issue is you are putting a natal woman into a role that could be trans or not because you are assuming that if someone is trans it has to be such a big deal that it comes up in any story they are involved in. Unless she is called cis, why can’t she just be trans? If it’s not specified why do you assume a character must not be trans?

On a personal level I don’t care who plays what, but I think from a story telling perspective, it inevitably matters to most audience members.

Fair enough. I personally would rather have no representation Than harmful representation. And men playing trans women does harm on a cultural level. It reinforces the idea we are just cross dressers or men in dresses that is the root of most anti trans actions. They think we are men failing at being men and take action they see as fit for that.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

anything he plays a nonpassing trans sex worker that falls for a man 20 years her senior and not actually attractive because her life is so sad that she latched onto literally the first person who showed her any kindness. The entire premise is awful but made even worse by the fact she is played by a frankly very masculine man. It plays like a joke.

To be fair that’s a very female trope. They’re literally giving him the pretty woman plot.

[–]adungitit 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

It still baffles me that trans people can complain about being objectified and fetishised, and have liberals rush to kiss their boo-boos, but when women do it the same people call them uptight prudes, sex-negative, misandrists, extremists, controlling etc.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Narcissism. The luxury of believing that they are a fully developed complex person with depth and that women are just noisy sexmeat who have stupid wants because the wants aren’t sex with the man thinking this.

Or that women are so invested in them because they are so important that the woman has no goals or life outside of being literally evil and daring to say no to them, the important person. Women are so vapid and empty inside that they formed a worldwide conspiracy to hurt the feelings of some specific men.

[–]adungitit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is not narcissistic to not want to deal with being objectified and fetishised. The problem is in the movement's misogynistic bias, where women are continuously told to know their place for the sake of liberating men's dicks because women aren't seen as actually oppressed beyond just being uptight prudes, while everyone else gets to be above them in oppression rankings. Admittedly, the trans activism's notion that women are gender-affirmed by their oppression also doesn't help, but I believe it all still relies on the same idea. Trans people as a result of their mental illness generally have very twisted understanding of gender roles, so the actual extent of the patriarchy is either unknown to them because of their socialisation (this applies more to male trans people), or it's viewed through the pink lens of gender-affirmation. Liberal feminism is more concerned with affirming everyone and recontextualising the status quo as actually liberating, than making them understanding the extent of the patriarchy.

That's not to say there isn't plenty of shittiness from trans individuals trying to throw people under the bus and undermine social progress for the sake of their gender affirmation, but you can say that about any group of individuals. The bigger problem is in how a supposed feminist movement enables them to do this to the detriment of women and portrays it as a fight for basic human rights.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

sexmeat

My new least favorite combination of words

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Nasty but accurate ime.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I guess what I don’t get is why it’s better for a woman to play a TW if when that’s done it’s pretty much always done as a joke? Like when males play TW it’s can be a joke sometimes but it’s also often done in earnest. I wonder if maybe you just don’t want other males playing TW? Like that in and of itself bothers you no matter how good the performance or how respectful the story?

I do agree that the quality of a performance is entirely subjective. I thought Leto was great.

Im not putting a natal woman in any role- I’m saying if there is a role for a “woman” but the character doesn’t have to be female (no pregnancy or otherwise obvious female plot line) and a trans actor is best for the role, they should cast the trans actor and make the character a TW instead of a woman. I’m not saying it has to be a plot point, but if it comes up or needs to be addressed, the character should just be trans.

I get why from your perspective you’d feel the way you do about other males playing TW. But I guess I think regardless of how either of us feels, I think most of the world does see TW as men/not women (Im not at all trying to be rude or offend you, just discussing), so I think that while for the trans community seeing males in TW roles is upsetting and something you find harmful, for the rest of us it can often make more sense than casting a woman. I do think simply because there are plenty of capable trans actors, that trans actors should be heavily prioritized when it comes to trans roles.

That’s kind of why I said what I said about just switching a character to being trans if a trans actor is cast- so that the actor’s work can be what’s focused on, instead of focusing on if the actor passes or whatever other distractions may arise when the audience is aware someone is trans but the character isn’t, if that makes sense

Random question- how do you think roles like Redmane’s should be handled? When the character has to be pre and post transition? Should the role be played by trans actor? Wouldn’t that be triggering?

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I wonder if maybe you just don’t want other males playing TW? Like that in and of itself bothers you no matter how good the performance or how respectful the story?

Yes. It’s offensive always.

guess what I don’t get is why it’s better for a woman to play a TW if when that’s done it’s pretty much always done as a joke?

At least they’re women. And it doesn’t feed the men in dresses narrative that feeds into harming us.

I’m saying if there is a role for a “woman” but the character doesn’t have to be female (no pregnancy or otherwise obvious female plot line) and a trans actor is best for the role, they should cast the trans actor and make the character a TW instead of a woman. I’m not saying it has to be a plot point, but if it comes up or needs to be addressed, the character should just be trans.

And I’m saying that there’s no difference between natal and trans women in most stories. You putting the trans label on a neutral character is improper there’s no difference unless the story is about transition or pregnancy.

I get why from your perspective you’d feel the way you do about other males playing TW. But I guess I think regardless of how either of us feels, I think most of the world does see TW as men/not women (Im not at all trying to be rude or offend you, just discussing), so I think that while for the trans community seeing males in TW roles is upsetting and something you find harmful, for the rest of us it can often make more sense than casting a woman.

That’s the problem. It’s a harmful idea that I’d only strengthened by this kind of negative representation.

Random question- how do you think roles like Redmane’s should be handled? When the character has to be pre and post transition? Should the role be played by trans actor? Wouldn’t that be triggering?

Ideally doubling like how they used laverne’s brother. Or if the actress is comfortable and androgynous enough, makeup.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There actually is a difference between women and TW in stories. One is a transwoman, one is a woman. As I said- if it’s not relevant then it won’t come up and it won’t matter. I’m literally saying if it’s relevant, then just acknowledge the truth of the situation. Because that won’t distract from the story or cause the audience to laugh, scratchy their heads, or otherwise be taken out of the story. If it’s not relevant, it doesn’t need to be mentioned. The audience is gonna know the actor is trans and will likely have it into he back of their mind the whole time they watch anyway. So pretending that’s not the case does nothing for anyone lol

And to me, casting a woman as a TW just seems like something done to avoid casting a TW for whatever reason or as a joke. It’s absurd to prefer to be mocked just because you’d prefer a woman mock you than another male portray you, but, I guess…

You can call it a harmful idea but you’re never gonna be able to get around 99% of people looking at you differently because you’re trans. It’s always going to matter to most audiences. Even if it’s just them sitting there looking for signs of someone’s real sex. Maybe that’s shitty- but that’s shitty of society, not me for pointing it out.

I loved how they used Cox’s brother. That seems like such a fortunate coincidence though. I guess it could work to cast separate actors but they’d need to look very similarly and be similar heights etc and that’s sometimes tricky.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There actually is a difference between women and TW in stories. One is a transwoman, one is a woman. As I said- if it’s not relevant then it won’t come up and it won’t matter. I’m literally saying if it’s relevant, then just acknowledge the truth of the situation. Because that won’t distract from the story or cause the audience to laugh, scratchy their heads, or otherwise be taken out of the story. If it’s not relevant, it doesn’t need to be mentioned. The audience is gonna know the actor is trans and will likely have it into he back of their mind the whole time they watch anyway. So pretending that’s not the case does nothing for anyone lol

That’s my point. You can literally just not address it. Then the character need not be trans or a natal women. They can simply be.

I would rather only trans people play trans people, but yes it’s less insulting to be mocked by a woman playing us than be mocked and encourage our continued negative societal status. A natal woman playing is is the lesser harm.

And the fact that we are defined by being a trans is a bad thing. It’s only encouraged and made worse every time some chisel jawed muscular leading man in caked on makeup is put in a movie and America is told “this is the icon of a trans woman”. How marginalized groups are treated and perceived is in a large part due to media. There’s is no greater harm to the image of trans women in pop culture than men playing trans women and just conflating us with cross dressers. We may never cure it, I think we will always be treated as freaks, but at least we can try not to make it worse.

And double casting may be tricky but it also shouldn’t generally be necessary. So many of the few trans stories we see are those early transition stories like transparent, I’d like to see more trans women in things living their lives. Transition is treatment for a disease. It helps you but it’s a period of shame and being hated and stress that’s one of the hardest parts of our lives in a lot of ways. The only pictures of Us being that isn’t great. I’d like to see trans characters living their lives and not defined by transition. Like Laverne in OITB or the women in Tangerine, or a fantastic woman. It’s moving that way but stories like transparent with cis men aping trans women transitioning and making us the butt of so many jokes isn’t going to make society deride us less.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Do you think it’s fair for MJ Rodriguez to be nominated alongside female performers?

Yes it's fair because MJ is a female.

Do you think MJ will win? Why/why not? And how do you feel about it?

I don't know if she will win but I don't care.

Do you think trans actors should be able to play characters who aren’t trans (but are the opposite sex)? Do you think actors who aren’t trans should be able to play trans characters?

Trans men should be able to play male characters and trans women should be able to play female characters. I do think actors who aren’t trans should be able to play trans characters though I'd prefer trans actors.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes it's fair because MJ is a female.

L O L

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I don't care if they give all the awards to one person. Paying attention to Hollywood award shows is just participating in your own brainwashing.

Do you think trans actors should be able to play characters who aren’t trans (but are the opposite sex)?

Yes.

Do you think actors who aren’t trans should be able to play trans characters?

Yes.

It's called acting.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (39 children)

Do you think it’s fair for MJ Rodriguez to be nominated alongside female performers? Or for any male to be nominated in female categories/female in male categories?

It honestly doesn’t matter to me. They're more about deciding which studio gets more money anyway. It’s a farce.

Do you think trans actors should be able to play characters who aren’t trans (but are the opposite sex)?

Yes though they won’t let them.

Do you think actors who aren’t trans should be able to play trans characters?

No because they’ve proven time and again they can’t handle the responsibility and those are literally the only jobs trans actors can get.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Im curious why you think they can’t handle the responsibility? I’ve seen a few really great performances, but maybe I just think they were great because I’m not trans.

Also why you think trans actors can handle the responsibility but their not trans counterparts can’t? To me it seems like if an actor who isn’t trans can’t handle a trans role, I don’t really get why a trans actor can handle the role of a member of the opposite sex.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have never seen a portrayal of a trans woman by a cis man that wasn’t at least a little offensive. Natal woman can be okay but even then it’s usually a parade or horrible stereotypes and offensive jokes. I don’t know if they don’t realize how horrible those scripts are or just don’t care but either way, they can’t handle it.

Also why you think trans actors can handle the responsibility but their not trans counterparts can’t? To me it seems like if an actor who isn’t trans can’t handle a trans role, I don’t really get why a trans actor can handle the role of a member of the opposite sex.

Parallel levels of oppression is relevant I think. A man playing a trans woman is punching down, a trans woman playing a natal woman is at worst punching across. And there isn’t the body of evidence of trans women playing intractably offensive stereotypes of natal women like there is of men playing trans women. It’s more okay for natal women to play trans women than for cis men to for the same reason.

[–]worried19 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (36 children)

Yes though they won’t let them.

I can think of two recent examples. There was a trans woman who played a natal woman in The Queen's Gambit. And Patti Harrison is a trans woman who just had a starring role as a natal woman in a movie called Together, Together.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (35 children)

I haven’t seen those but is it explicit that they aren’t trans in both cases? Or is it merely that there Natal sex isn’t discussed so you assume?

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (34 children)

The first show is set in the '60s and the actor plays, if I remember correctly, an educator in an orphanage: it is simply not possible that they were writing this character as trans, he was playing a woman. The same actor portrayed the owner of a saloon in the old west in The Sisters Brothers: I don' t remember much of that movie, so maybe I am mistaken, but I seem to remember that everyone was treating him as if he were female, not male identifying as female. I seriously doubt people would have treated a trans person like that in the old west.

The second actor plays a pregnant woman in that film.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (33 children)

it is simply not possible that they were writing this character as trans

If it’s not discussed it is possible. Lilly Elbe in the 30’s. Jorgensen in the 50’s. Unlikely certainly but not impossible. You assume the character isn’t trans.

The same actor portrayed the owner of a saloon in the old west in The Sisters Brothers: I don' t remember much of that movie, so maybe I am mistaken, but I seem to remember that everyone was treating him as if he were female, not male identifying as female.

And how does one treat a woman as opposed to a trans woman exactly?

[–]worried19 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

If it’s not discussed it is possible. Lilly Elbe in the 30’s. Jorgensen in the 50’s. Unlikely certainly but not impossible. You assume the character isn’t trans.

Circling, a non-passing transsexual would never have been hired in a job of that type back in the 1960s. It's simply not possible due to the extreme prejudice they faced at the time. This character worked with children. If a known homosexual would have been roundly dismissed from most jobs (but especially a job working with children), the response for a transsexual would have been equally as harsh if not harsher. They would never have gotten the job at all. Out of everyone here, I find it surprising you'd downplay the struggles such individuals faced.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (10 children)

Fictional universes need not be as bad as real ones.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So fiction should only portray ideals and not anything realistic?

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Not only, but exclusively the other. Why must fiction be bound by prejudice when it isn’t the point of the story?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Because the story is being told in a real world setting. It’s not a fantasy setting, it’s a story set in the actual world.

Idk how else to phrase it because it’s honestly pretty simple as a concept. Fiction can have enormous amounts of realism, and the existence of concepts in a story that aren’t nice are not actually an attack on the viewer.

[–]worried19 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Sure, but there's no evidence it was a fantasy world. Anyway, that's getting a little far afield. I think your original comment was that Hollywood won't give trans women those roles. It seems to be changing, which is a good thing. I don't mind trans women playing non-trans roles, or vice versa either. Acting is acting.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Okay. I disagree. I don’t really mind natal women playing trans women that much, though I would prefer a trans woman have the role given how few their are. However I will always strenuously object to men playing trans women.

[–]worried19 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Have you seen bad portrayals? I keep meaning to watch The Danish Girl on Netflix, but I heard Eddie Redmayne did a good job in that role.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

If it’s not discussed it is possible. Lilly Elbe in the 30’s. Jorgensen in the 50’s. Unlikely certainly but not impossible. You assume the character isn’t trans.

I am not denying they existed, I am denying that they would have had the chance to have that particular job. Given how much you keep complaining that coming out as trans even now is a death sentence for your career, you should understand that in the '60s things were even worse. It' s simply not possible that in the '60s transexxuals, who at the time were considered pervert deviants (maybe even in the law, but definitelly on a social level), would have been put in a position of authority and caring towards children.

And how does one treat a woman as opposed to a trans woman exactly?

You think in the old west people would have referred to a male as she and madam? And I mean for real, not with the intent of mocking him? If the character had been trans, NOBODY would have respected his preferred pronouns and identity in that period or setting. The character is referred to as a woman and she because the actor is playing a female.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I feel like there were probably some stealth transwomen by the 60s and I know there were stealth transmen going back way before that. Because of stealth, we could exist in times where there was massive hostility towards us without it ruining our lives. I don’t think it’s good casting though unless that is the story that they are trying to tell. I feel like trans people for me sort of take me out of the story unless it is about that because I notice and I can’t unnoticed it, if that makes sense lol.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How stealth could they be in the '60s? Were they even allowed to change sex markers on IDs? Not to mention, was it even possible to keep it a secret from your employer? And in the Old West?

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I feel like legal sex change has probably existed in one way or another forever. Before there was really a process, you could get just a judge to issue a court order to take to vital records. Even if that wasn’t possible, getting passable documents was probably much easier too or using something someone made to obtain legal documents. Employment would have been massively easier even if you couldn’t do a legal sex change because everything was so much less connected. You didn’t even need to complete an I9. I was really talking more about the 60s than the old west, although I feel like passing transmen probably existed then and possibly transwomen too, although not ones who would pass by modern standards.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

You are putting the prejudices of the real world into a fictional one and more importantly your distaste and prejudice against trans people shows through in this attitude.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The fictional world described in both those project was made as realistic as possible. They weren' t done even in "A Knight' s Tale" style, the goal was to tell a story that described fictional events but in the most realistic way possible.

But sure go for it, old west towns had trans people in power of saloons and cowboys and delinquents all respected gender identity and pronouns, and in the '60s the USA were so open minded that, despite Stonewall not happening yet, trans women were put in charge of the education of children, nobody considered them perverts and wine spilled from fountains.

Living in a fantasy must be amazing, Mask.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Surely you realize that more often than not, the fictional world reflects the real one. Particularly when it comes to period pieces.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

It doesn’t have to. You don’t have to inject prejudice that isn’t explicit

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

It’s not injecting prejudice- it’s acknowledging how things actually were while telling a story set in a previous time.

That’s the whole point of period pieces lol

It’s like you think they shouldn’t have sunk the titanic in the movie because just because that’s what actually happened doesn’t mean we have to deal with it.

Maybe media set in the 50’s/60’s shouldn’t show racial segregation? Was kinda a huge deal back then, but it’s so unpleasant to acknowledge.

[–]grixitperson 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Anyone should be able to play anyone, as long as they can pull it off. But as long as there are awards that have sexed categories, they should be awarded by the persomers' actual sex.

[–]worried19 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There are more pressing concerns for me than who gets nominated in which category for awards shows.

Do you think trans actors should be able to play characters who aren’t trans (but are the opposite sex)? Do you think actors who aren’t trans should be able to play trans characters?

Sure, I don't have an issue. It's called acting for a reason. As long as the actor is convincing in the role, there's no problem.