All: "Trans women" at the Olympics

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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I guess I just don’t get why I’m supposed to care if a male has an advantage or not. So whether or not he threw the game is irrelevant to me (though it would be super shitty if this were true. Not the least bit surprising, just shitty).

He shouldn’t be competing against or alongside females. Period. Every time a TW competes in a female sport, he takes (at minimum) an opportunity from a female. That’s not fair. That’s not right. That’s not (really) “woke”. That’s not equality. Nevermind the fact that if he wins he takes a win, a scholarship, a medal, an endorsement etc away from a female. Just him being there to begin with is unfair right out the gate.

It shouldn’t matter if he transitioned as a child or two years ago or fully transitioned or his hormone levels are comparable to females etc- none of that matters. Female sports exist for females to be able to play sports. This is why I always say TW have the most male privilege. It’s ridiculous that anyone even considered letting them play in female sports, except how it’s not ridiculous because they’re males and they wanted to play in female sports

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Agreed. The categories are sex based, if you' re male, you shouldn' t compete, regardless of identification, advantage, transition, testosterone or whatever the fuck else is going to be used tomorrow to "prove" that men can be women if they whine hard enough.

It' s just beyond gross: women had to fight to get to the point of being able to compete in official sport events as they were barred from doing it. And they were barred because they were female, not because of their presentation, clothes, pronouns or identity.

As for the advantage, I don' t see why there should be such disparity in rules between women and trans women if they belong to the same category. Women don' t have different rules when it comes to, say, testosterone, the only "women" who need more elasticity are the ones who aren' t women at all. Why is it that trans women (and people like Caster Semenya) need more elastic rules to compete as a standard? Could it be that their bodies are different from women' s? Because if that' s the case, they are different enough to warrant a completely different division.

[–]BiologyIsReal[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They can't get their own rules straight. Males who feel like "women" can compete in the female categories. But there were also two female athlets who claim to be "non-binary" and yet, unsurpringly, chose to compete in the female categories too. And TRA didn't see any contradiction on this and only policed people who "misgendered" those women.

[–]adungitit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Reminds me of all the "non-binaries" who still stick to female spaces for protection. Also I've seen tons of female trans people get angry at "transphobes" when they get disregarded as women which is just ???