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[–]Penultimate_Penance 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

  • Women having less body autonomy than a corpse
  • The unacceptable lack of research into women's health (Many studies test only men and male cells, drug dosages are often wrong for women, because they didn't bother to test the drug on women and women are dying, because of this. Dysmenorhea is huge too, it's tragic how little we're doing to help the millions of women suffering from debilitating monthly pain)
  • How little to nothing is done to prevent men murdering, raping, harassing and/or assaulting women. Violent men have predictable patterns of behavior and we could intervene much sooner to prevent them from catastrophically harming women instead of telling women to just deal with it.
  • Child marriage
  • Slavery Worldwide, too little is being done to end it
  • Global Warming
  • Broken Economic System where we have billionaires with employees that are living hand to mouth

There are a lot of very important issues that the trans nonsense is distracting us from, which is one reason that politicians are embracing it. It's easier to support a faux civil rights movement than real ones.

[–]worried19 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

My main concern outside of trans stuff is porn and kink culture. These have had permanent, traumatic effects on me and I believe they have also severely impacted other women and girls.

[–]adungitit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It blows my mind that "feminism" is doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify something so overtly and shamelessly one-sided and misogynistic, just so men wouldn't have to think about the way their entire fucked up sexuality treats women.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The realities of the scale of economic inequality, the reality of climate change and the potential very near no return point, and the reality of the fact that fossile fuels are not sustainable as a power base.

[–]FlanJam 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Since it recently came to my attention, the anti-feminist sentiment in Korea is scary. 58% of men in their 20s oppose feminism in Korea. I think its a backlash against how feminism in Korea has become more outspoken in recent years.

Also, just gay rights in general. People think gay issues have been solved but its still legal in many states to fire someone for being gay. And outside the western english speaking world, many countries still have a long way to go for gay rights.

[–]adungitit 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Fairly related, but liberal feminism is a godawful movement and I wish GC recognised how much all the toxic aspects of trans ideology directly feed off of and abuse its ideas. Even if trans activism specifically is the one currently doing the work of removing women's rights, it wouldn't happen if the misogynistic thought-stopping ideals of liberal feminism didn't have its back and train women that it's super feminist to "choose" to pander to men and get trampled over by them. Liberal feminism is basically the patriarchy for people who want to sleep better at night.

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Fairly related, but liberal feminism is a godawful movement and I wish GC recognised how much all the toxic aspects of trans ideology directly feed off of and abuse its ideas.

I was under the impression that queer theory, trans ideology & genderism are major factors that spawned liberal feminism. They're not the only factors, but they're certainly amongst the major factors. Liberal feminism serves those ideologies - & more generally, male supremacy, male libertinism & pernicious forces like the porn industry, prostitution, surrogacy & the growing appetite for such - but liberal feminism didn't lead to them. When you say "all the toxic aspects of trans ideology directly feed off" liberal feminism, I think you might be confusing the relationship between the two movements/schools of thought, reversing the role of cart & horse. IMO, the TRA/MRA agenda is the main driver; liberal feminism serves as handmaiden, cover & cleanup crew for the misogynistic men's movement that's behind it.

But I'm open to be persuaded otherwise. You may be privy to aspects of what's happened over the course of the past 40-50 years that I'm not aware of.

[–]adungitit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't have an in-depth understanding of the evolution of the movements so my impressions are based purely on how I've noticed the more casual discourse change over the years, i.e. before trans activism vs after. All the problems with liberal feminism look like your average pandering to horny ""devil's-advocate"" male liberals, and that results from the usual socialisation putting male misogyny above women's rights and dignity. Liberal feminism has been problematic way before trans ideology started taking centre stage, and most of its problems needn't involve trans ideology at all and are more easily explained by wanting to (often literally) sell women a safe, mainstream version of feminism that won't get their boyfriends pissy, where everything is fine as it is so long as you yell "girl power!". Perhaps it's a result of said "girl power" becoming a popular thing to market to girls in the...what, 80's? 90's? already rooting in the mind of little girls a pandering, male-approved popular image of feminism. Also I'm sure their messaging about how women are just as strong as men is a huge factor in so many people supporting men in female sports.

Feminism can't really hold a candle to the patriarchy as far as societal influence goes, so it can't give women value when the patriarchy keeps beating them into the ground every single day since childhood while giving them the easy "just be pretty and you will be loved" solution. Women who are socialised all their lives that the only worth they have is their femininity, with a plethora of accompanying trauma and anxieties (by design), aren't just going to reject that, even when they're aware of how damaging it is for them. The mere implication of making women reject femininity still gets shouted down as extreme, because that would make them lose the only value as a woman in a world of men, the only ability they have. So liberal feminism sells women the idea that they can have both their cake and eat it too: they can be beautiful, feminine and (insert everything else that society discourages or punishes women for). So their only form of societal worth is preserved while also acknowledging the unjust elephant in the room that the pesky feminists keep bringing to their attention.

Most men are bioessentialist, and that applies to liberals. They're going to want to hear that women endure their trauma because their brains evolved for it, much like how they'll want to hear that women deserve male abuse and discrimination for the same reason. To get their support, liberal feminism must somehow pander both to liberal male supremacist ideology where female submission and suffering under men signifies male freedom and a proper, natural world order, but also it has to sell women the idea that this suppression is empowering and something they freely choose for themselves (which also lets them kinda skirt around the bioessentialism because oppressors' victims don't like hearing that it's in their biology to be oppressed as much as their oppressors do). If you can do that, you can not only sell a much easier, status-quo-appealing form of liberation to anxious, traumatised women clinging onto their only form of worth, but you can even turn this plight into its own struggle for justice, justice for femininity, the real victim of oppression. It's not unfair that women are subject to all this crap for having the gall to be born female, but rather, the real injustice is that femininity (focusing heavily on sexual submission to men, both to make it more appealing to them and because that's the reason femininity exists in the first place) has been so unfairly marginalised and isn't seen as strong and empowering, to the point of vilifying women who reject femininity as suffering from "internalised misogyny" and being bigots against "sex work", swerfs akin to racists. Now traditional women can feel powerful for doing what they're pressured into all their lives because they can tell themselves it's all an intentional, wilful act of defiance and empowerment on their part. This also plays into society constantly calling women "powerful" for men being horny and wanting to fuck them. Men ofc love hearing this, because to them, it's all the usual confirmation of ladybrains and the proper world order, but one that makes them sleep better at night. It goes without saying that women are choosing their oppression, because women have evolved to be oppressed by men and to enjoy it. It's not a result of men being awful, and now they can even call themselves feminist for jerking off to porn stars. They're encouraging women's self-expression and freedoms, helping them accept themselves in the modern world pushing them farther from their true, natural role.

Trans people saw this, and swooped in: the silent, implied bioessentialism was perfect for revitalising the concept of ladybrains in feminist movements, and femininity as the real victim is what makes a man with she/her pronouns equally as oppressed as a woman. Once you make gender oppression be all about freely-chosen femininity, why couldn't anyone choose it and become a woman? In fact, wouldn't the men choosing it be the most oppressed of all? Doesn't anyone ever think of men and their oppression?

Also, liberal feminism's "sex-positivity" and "no kink shaming" is the perfect breeding ground for ideas like an anus being equivalent to a vagina and fetishistic men being the real victims.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Seriously warped attitudes about women and “women’s mental health issues” in the MH/AOD/SW world.

BPD, eating disorders, and high functioning ASD being the main three I see receiving eye rolls, having their cases handed around like a hot potato, or simply not being taken seriously.

As soon as a disorder is frequently diagnosed in women it’s punted off to the corner as hysteria with a new hat. The patients are assumed to be attention seeking, vain, shrill, difficult, and annoying. They stop being seen as women with complex needs and are frozen out, just a collection of irritating symptoms they deliberately inflict on you. The symptoms are taken as that woman’s personality.

If they don’t seek out services for help, they’re damned as crazy and hopeless and not wanting help. When they do seek help, they aren’t easily fixed and get tossed into the too hard basket, labelled as difficult. Nothing they do is good enough, and even when they manage to recover, their relapses are seen as bigger failures and their rate of success is never fast enough.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ableism, lack of universal healthcare in the US, our education system, gender roles and gender double standards, wealth inequality, racism and how awful the current republican/Trumpublican party is.