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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

So yes, you do think some women have an innate desire to be raped.

That’s what I see from the evidence

If you’re gonna claim there is evidence that porn represents natural desire you better provide that evidence.

It’s not the world as I would choose it

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[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

I don't think they desire to be raped no.

But people do have anti social sexual fantasies that they do not want in reality.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I thought you had evidence that porn tastes represent natural desires? Where is it? Because now you’re saying some porn tastes do and some don’t. How are women supposed to know which of their porn tastes represent natural desire or not? Do we just have to ask you?

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Well take sexual fantasies. They are consistent enough to be categorized and widely shared. I don't think human sexuality is completely blank. I think it follows repeating and common patterns that you can see in regular sex surveys in social science. If human sexuality was completely blank I think it would vary more. People are prone to certain desires within a spectrum.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Rape fantasies are consistent and common, but you've said they aren't natural. So again, I'm asking you for the evidence that other consistent and common fantasies are natural. Being consistent and common can't be the proof in of itself because you've admitted not all consistent and common fantasies are natural.

It's pretty weird that you think the only two options are that fantasies involving gender roles are natural or that human sexuality is totally blank. Like there is a whole spectrum in between those two extremes, your obsession with challenging the blank slate to the point where you will insert the idea in every debate even if literally no one else has is so weird.

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Rape fantasies are consistent and common

What do you think is going on with that?

It's pretty weird that you think the only two options are that fantasies involving gender roles are natural or that human sexuality is totally blank.

I do think it's a mix. There is an interaction between nature nurture.

I just see humans have a strong tendency to sexualise power. Maybe that's at it's widest interpretation. Is that unrealistic?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

What do you think is going on with that?

I think it's a trauma response. I would say the same thing about fantasies involving gender roles though, as female socialization is traumatic for many if not most women and girls.

I just see humans have a strong tendency to sexualise power.

Even if this is natural, which you clearly have no evidence that it is, it's still a leap from this to fantasies about power in a gender context specifically being natural.

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I think it's a trauma response.

So this would be; all societies have gender which traumatize women this appears a sexualized forms of power which women as a psychological defence mechanism.

Where do the men and women who enjoy sexualized dominance fit into that?

Even if this is natural, which you clearly have no evidence that it is, it's still a leap from this to fantasies about power in a gender context specifically being natural.

I'm reflecting on the reported patterns.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

So this would be; all societies have gender which traumatize women this appears a sexualized forms of power which women as a psychological defence mechanism.

You need to reword this because your typos are obscuring your meaning.

I'm reflecting on the reported patterns.

Your "reflections" aren't evidence. As I've already said, you've admitted that not all common and consistent fantasies are natural.

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You need to reword this because your typos are obscuring your meaning.

Sorry, how about this.

So this would be; all societies have gender which traumatize women and this appears in sexualized forms of power which women use as a psychological defence mechanism.

Is that closer to the position?

Your "reflections" aren't evidence. As I've already said, you've admitted that not all common and consistent fantasies are natural.

I do find it hard not to think "all common and consistent fantasies are natural."

You can see how I'd think that?

Like I think criminality and morality are both natural tendencies. Widespread, recurrent and emergent.