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[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Interesting claim, what do you mean by most people sexualise gender?

Do men get off on being loud and aggressive? Do they find trousers and short hair arousing? Are women super into being submissive according to you?

The judgement is fair imo. There is a shitty moral happening when a man thinks he’s cute and funny because he wears a gown and acts like a horrible caricature of a woman.

Gc accepts a variety of different forms of male expression, just not the handful where they mimic women and get aroused by it. What’s morally questionable about disliking the hypersexualised mockery of oneself?

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Interesting claim, what do you mean by most people sexualise gender?

Asides from physical sexual characteristics, humans sexualise expressions of gender in a wider sense. But they aren't perfect reflections of each other.

If you look at porn, erotic and reported sexual fantasises of "the straights" you'll see plenty of gendered roles, narratives, behaviours and expressions.

Do you want me to read out the plots summaries of the erotic lit popular with women and the porn popular with men? This is very clear. It's not that men and women are completely different but there are sizable biases.

What’s morally questionable about disliking the hypersexualised mockery of oneself?

Because this isn't all about you. Because you don't get to dictate other people's sexuality.

I think social conservatives calling lesbians a mockery of men, unnatural and perverted are making a moral mistake. They often take disgust and make it an moral issue.

Gender non conformity is going to have sexual aspects too.

GC takes calls male gnc sexual behaviour perverted, fetishistic and a mockery.

But doesn't seem to comment on female gnc sexual behaviour.

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What are you basing the idea that porn reflects natural desire on? Do women who have rape fantasies have an innate desire to be raped?

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

I don't think human desires are all perfect politically correct and morally justifiable.

I do think women on average are likely to find dominant men attractive. There are perhaps dark edges to that bias.

To me that explains a lot of consistent human behaviour. That's what I see from the evidence.

It's not the world as I would choose it.

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So yes, you do think some women have an innate desire to be raped.

That’s what I see from the evidence

If you’re gonna claim there is evidence that porn represents natural desire you better provide that evidence.

It’s not the world as I would choose it

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[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

I don't think they desire to be raped no.

But people do have anti social sexual fantasies that they do not want in reality.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I thought you had evidence that porn tastes represent natural desires? Where is it? Because now you’re saying some porn tastes do and some don’t. How are women supposed to know which of their porn tastes represent natural desire or not? Do we just have to ask you?

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Well take sexual fantasies. They are consistent enough to be categorized and widely shared. I don't think human sexuality is completely blank. I think it follows repeating and common patterns that you can see in regular sex surveys in social science. If human sexuality was completely blank I think it would vary more. People are prone to certain desires within a spectrum.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Rape fantasies are consistent and common, but you've said they aren't natural. So again, I'm asking you for the evidence that other consistent and common fantasies are natural. Being consistent and common can't be the proof in of itself because you've admitted not all consistent and common fantasies are natural.

It's pretty weird that you think the only two options are that fantasies involving gender roles are natural or that human sexuality is totally blank. Like there is a whole spectrum in between those two extremes, your obsession with challenging the blank slate to the point where you will insert the idea in every debate even if literally no one else has is so weird.

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Rape fantasies are consistent and common

What do you think is going on with that?

It's pretty weird that you think the only two options are that fantasies involving gender roles are natural or that human sexuality is totally blank.

I do think it's a mix. There is an interaction between nature nurture.

I just see humans have a strong tendency to sexualise power. Maybe that's at it's widest interpretation. Is that unrealistic?