QT/pro-trans: What are the most common misconceptions gender critical people have about things like being trans, gender identity, your goals or activism, etc?

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[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (28 children)

She said men are saying estrogen makes them bad at math, not trans women. Trans women aren't men.

[–]BiologyIsReal 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You've been here long enough to notice our definitions are based on biological sex, not "gender identity". The fact that you disagree with this is not excuse to pretend not to understand who we are talking about.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I guess you have a point.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So now will you explain why it’s totally not sexism for these transwomen to call their hormone meddling bimbo pills? We can finish with the word policing you use to avoid questions that show the huge holes in tra thinking?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It is sexism, and sexism is wrong whether it comes from a man, woman or enby.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So why defend it and try to convince us it isn’t?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You didn't answer my question. Did you not understand that she was talking about transwomen?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lol she can’t admit that without also admitting she’s never done anything in this sub but dodge questions that show her how the ideology she subscribed to is nonsensical.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

Then why do they take estrogen?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

So they can appear like women. Same reason trans men take testosterone.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Women don’t need to take estrogen to appear as women. Clearly if they have to take something to attempt to alter themselves into looking like women, they were not women who got the prescriptions for estrogen.

Jfc.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Some women do need to take estrogen to appear as women. Some men need to take testosterone to appear as men.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Nope. Language policing will not work for you. Men who take estrogen are men. Women who take testosterone are women. You will not make that language change by being deliberately obtuse or by refusing to engage with questions and latching on to this.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Except we already changed the language. When Elliot Page came out as trans, his Wikipedia article was edited to replace the pronouns with he/him pronouns. Most mainstream social media sites do not welcome gender critical views.

[–]BiologyIsReal 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

All those changes are happening from top to bottom and without any input from the general public. Yes, mainstream media and Big Tech are completely on board with "inclusive" language and "gender identity", but that doesn't mean that most people are fine with this. Just compare all the Media praising Hubbar "historical" debut at the Olympics and the reaction from the public seeing a man competing as a "woman".

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How do you know this is happening without any input from the public? We elect our politicians. We choose what products to buy.

[–]BiologyIsReal 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The document that reveals the remarkable tactics of trans lobbyists - Law firm advices trans activists to hide their lobbying from public scrutiny.

Revealed: the secret trans-rights lobbying operation in parliament - more secret lobbying.

The shame of BBC Sport - BBC account threatening with reporting comments pushing back against the official narrative on Laurel Hubbard.

Majority of Scottish Government civil servants say they'll never add pronouns to their email signatures

There is also the whole saga with Stonewall:

Exclusive: Stop using terms ‘boy’ and ‘girl’, Stonewall tells teachers

Stonewall urges employers to drop mother for 'parent who has given birth' to boost equality ranking

Major public sector bodies quit Stonewall diversity training as trans rights row intensifies

ACLU blocks woman's request for data on numbers of transgender inmates in women's prisons - Why does the ACLU is blocking this request if supposedly Americans are mostly on the side transgenderism?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

The language was not changed, it’s been coerced. The language is functionally useless. You cannot and will not force anyone here to obey you.

This is a ridiculous way to avoid answering things you don’t want to. Engage in reasonably good faith for once.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

How do you coerce a language change? In order for language to change, most of the public has to agree to it. And we did.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How about you engage in good faith and answer the question put to you instead of further diverting?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What makes you think you, personally, are the voice of the public? Do you truly believe that a section of the American public are representative of the world in opinion and values?