QT/pro-trans: What are the most common misconceptions gender critical people have about things like being trans, gender identity, your goals or activism, etc?

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[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Much if Gc seems to think that we are somehow societally privilege when in fact we are generally subject to pretty substantial marginalization.

I can't speak for anyone else, but for me it isn't that you don't face discrimination or marginalization because you clearly do. It's that females don't have specifically sex-based privilege over you (also known as so called cis-privilege), and also that the discrimination or marginalization that you face doesn't entitle you to erode the protections that women have for the sex-based oppression that they face and you don't. I also don't feel obligated to help you or other males fix your problems which are caused by other males, especially at my expense.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I can't speak for anyone else, but for me it isn't that you don't face discrimination or marginalization because you clearly do.

Even this is more than many gc people admit honestly. There are often accusations that essentially we are somehow societally elevated or protected Even above men

I also don't feel obligated to help you or other males fix your problems which are caused by other males, especially at my expense.

If you don’t think you have a moral obligation to help that’s fine, but I at least don’t want people denying we are marginalized.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Of course I don’t think I have a moral obligation to help you fix your problems. I don’t exist to serve males.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I don’t understand that defensive reaction. I literally just said it was fine.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It was a fairly neutral response to your bringing morality into it in the first place, but I of course can't control what tone you decide to attach to my responses.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I didn’t bring morality into it. I explicitly disavowed blameworthiness.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That's a bizarre denial considering everyone can read the thread, but I'll leave it.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If you don’t think you have a moral obligation to help that’s fine,

That’s literally saying it isn’t a problem to not believe you have a moral obligation to help. I really don’t understand your reaction here.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All I did was reiterate my position because you specified a moral obligation. As in, yes, I do not feel an obligation including a specifically moral obligation to help you. That's it. You've read far, far too into that one comment. Your issue seems to be with the defensive tone that you made up in your head, which you have decided means that I think you think it's a problem, when I've said no such thing.