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[–]circlingmyownvoid2 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Peaking passes. I don’t know about Fleurista but I would assume the same. The difference in the life of a stealth trans woman and one who can’t pass is a big gap. The need for protections is a lot clearer to people in my position I suppose.

Even leaving aside the constant insults I get, with assertions I have x y z mental disorder and am a raging misigynist worse than “other men”, There’s no common ground that can be found when so many of you are arguing for transition to be inaccessible and pushing policies that would basically remove people like me from society. Surely that’s understandable.

[–]worried19 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Fair point. Fleurista has a YouTube channel by the way, in case you wanted to check her out.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXJtylj7hCourJmYC1eFE1g/videos

The difference in the life of a stealth trans woman and one who can’t pass is a big gap. The need for protections is a lot clearer to people in my position I suppose.

But don't you think passing trans women are in favor of protections? Clearly, they would need a protected space in many cases, too. And GC isn't against protected spaces. I know you and I have talked about that before, and you're in favor of dedicated gender-neutral restrooms and locker rooms for people who either don't pass or don't feel comfortable with others of their natal sex.

Even leaving aside the constant insults I get, with assertions I have x y z mental disorder and am a raging misigynist worse than “other men”

I don't think anyone should be insulting you. You've always been very polite. I've never seen you be rude to someone in an interaction. You do have a very negative attitude towards men, but I'm not sure how that means you're a "raging misogynist." Anyway, I haven't seen that from you. Someone actually said you were worse than other natal males?

There’s no common ground that can be found when so many of you are arguing for transition to be inaccessible and pushing policies that would basically remove people like me from society. Surely that’s understandable.

No one wants you removed from society, though. What GC beliefs would prevent you from getting a job, buying a house, voting, marrying, raising kids, etc.? You should be able to live your life just like any other citizen. If we don't believe that you've literally changed sexes (which I don't think you believe either?) it shouldn't affect your ability to go about your daily life like any other person, male or female.

[–]BiologyIsReal 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Considering circling's baseless acussations, circling putting words in our mouth and circling calling a fellow user a monster... I'll disagree over circling being polite. All those acussations are in circling's head, both because of circling's self-hate issues and the fact that circling equals disagreeement with bigotry. The most ridiculous part of this is that circling is the one who often claims trans identified people are unlovable freaks or something like that.

[–]worried19 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I haven't followed the threads that closely, so I missed the "monster" exchange. Maybe you could link it?

circling is the one who often claims trans identified people are unlovable freaks or something like that.

This is obviously the result of low self esteem. I just feel bad this is circling's opinion of herself and seemingly other trans people.

circling equals disagreeement with bigotry.

Well, I don't know. She could probably clarify, but I haven't experienced that in our interactions.

[–]BiologyIsReal 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Here is the thread.

I agree that circling's opinion on trans identified people comes from self-hate, but circling proyects those opinions on everyone else. So, anyone don't recognizing circling's identitiy feels like a personal attack for circling. And because circling hates men, being viewed as one feels like being considered a monster even though for most people man is a neutral word. And of course, not doing anything to build third spaces -which most trans identified people don't want in the first place- is another sign of bigotry because we're not thinking in male violence on men's spaces. Honestly, I'm tired of circling and other people thinking we should care about trans identified males when they don't care in the slightest about any harm a woman may suffer because of making any women's space effectively unisex.

[–]worried19 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for that. Yeah, circling's hatred of men rivals anything I've seen from so-called feminist "man haters."

I get where you're coming from.