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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Ironically, I would probably just keep using passing privilege without a care if it weren't for gender critical and radical feminist beliefs leading me to believe that it's wrong to occupy female spaces like that. Maybe GC can help passing transwomen be better advocates for actual trans rights, or at least more active, as strange as that may sound!

Do you still see yourself as transmedicalist? I enjoyed interacting with transmed and truscum communities until it became clear that many if not most of the people I was speaking with believed that transition is the cure to gender dysphoria and therefore no research into preventative medicine or therapies or anything that did not require lifelong medical treatment and social adjustments is necessary. That seems like a key difference between QT/trans and GC beliefs is that GC believes transition is mostly harmful and something to work towards doing away with. That's really tricky, because that is really the most established form of treatment that's available currently and it doesn't seem ethical to just ban exogenous hormones or surgeries without a comparable alternative in their place.

It's rough since we're trying to just have normal lives, but we're enabling a deeply problematic system by transitioning as GC people view it and I would have to agree. There are certainly GC people who aren't very understanding and extend no sympathy for trans people or anyone experiencing gender dysphoria, and that doesn't seem very progressive whatsoever. On the other hand, I can see where we are so wrapped up in our own troubles that we develop tunnel vision and can't see a larger problem.

If you don't mind my asking, how do you think trans women who might not pass, like Miranda Yardley, are able to see things from a gender critical perspective? Or get on with the GC crowd?

[–]adungitit 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's really tricky, because that is really the most established form of treatment that's available currently and it doesn't seem ethical to just ban exogenous hormones or surgeries without a comparable alternative in their place.

It used to be hard for me to judge people who want to "pass" for doing so when we live in a crappy sexist society that does judge you a lot based on your sex (leading also to laws that further have to enforce gendered spaces so women could have a semblance of a normal life in public). On the other hand, I also hate the idea that people are born in the wrong body and need plastic surgeries if these unfair norms cause them anxiety. It's one of those things that I "understood" as much as I understood gender-conforming women as long as they understood that what they're doing is counter-productive to feminist goals.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Do you still see yourself as transmedicalist?

Yes.

That's really tricky, because that is really the most established form of treatment that's available currently and it doesn't seem ethical to just ban exogenous hormones or surgeries without a comparable alternative in their place.

To me transition is an acceptable if unfortunate outcome. I don’t want anyone to transition who doesn’t need to but transition isn’t harmful to those who need it. I suppose to be being a natal woman would be better but I just can’t see “becoming a cis man” as a successful outcome. Turning a trans woman into a cis man seems like a loss to me. But I also want enough safeguards that only those who need to are transitioning. Having a cis man transition wrongly also feels like a loss. I don’t honestly know how I feel about trans men. Wanting to be masculine or wanting to be a man is so wildly foreign to me I just try not to judge them and be supportive.

If you don't mind my asking, how do you think trans women who might not pass, like Miranda Yardley, are able to see things from a gender critical perspective? Or get on with the GC crowd?

Honestly I assume you either deep self hatred or some kind of pathological need to please. I really try not to ascribe that to people but I can’t fathom another reason someone could campaign against their own interests and ability to live.