What do you think about cases of young boys raised as girls, but eventually realizing they are boys?

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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

“What does GC make of these cases?”

What other case is there? Seems clear Reimer was abused.

“How do you explain the boys' masculinity and realization of their sex despite being told otherwise? What does QT think?”

First- what do they mean by “masculinity”?

Second- transwomen are masculine af in actuality, so I don’t think this would mean anything either way

Third- as I said in my other comment, it just sounds like these boys aren’t mentally ill (in the way trans people are) so they allow themselves to accept reality

If these cases are about males realizing they are male,”

Maybe they realized they were male simply because they didn’t develop like females do? It doesn’t have to be some huge “come to gender” moment. Maybe they just were like “oh I don’t have breasts or a period, and… Im still built like a boy even with the missing penis” and then used other context clues to figure things out

“how do you make the leap to apply it to trans people?”

It doesn’t really matter how anyone, including trans people, identifies. Sex is sex. You are the sex you were born and it’s not gonna change so none of this matters.

Why do tras/qt think that the possibility of proving some type of gender identity matters? Why do they think this would change anything? The rest of the world never cared whether or not you genuinely believe deep down in your soul that you were meant to be the opposite sex/gender or that you somehow just are so despite the sex you were born. We just care- we only care- about the fact of your sex. Because that’s all that matters in this issue.

[–]FlanJam[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What other case is there?

I'd like to know too.

First- what do they mean by “masculinity”?

I'm not quite sure, the way I heard it described was very vague. I assumed they were talking about behavior but I can't be sure.

Maybe they realized they were male simply because they didn’t develop like females do?

That's what I figured. I guess the counter point would be that they were put on hormones so they would've developed closer to how females develop. But I don't think that's enough to fool someone into thinking they're actually female.

Why do tras/qt think that the possibility of proving some type of gender identity matters?

Maybe they think it gives them validity. For example, what's the difference between a drag queen and a transwoman? QT can point to gender-identity, to them that's the extra bit that makes a transwoman really a woman. Without gender-identity, QT has to admit trans people aren't that different from other gender-non-conforming people.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

“I'm not quite sure, the way I heard it described was very vague. I assumed they were talking about behavior but I can't be sure.“

See? It’s always vague. Because specifics dismantles the claim. Every single claim. Every single time.

“But I don't think that's enough to fool someone into thinking they're actually female“

I don’t think it is either. I do think some of the kids being transed irl may believe they will actually change sexes, but I don’t think that it’s an easy feat to successfully convince someone they were actually born the opposite sex.

“Without gender-identity, QT has to admit trans people aren't that different from other gender-non-conforming people.“

But why would this make them different? They still aren’t identifying with anything the opposite sex can understand. So why should it matter to anyone but them?

And to take it further, why should your brain change how I feel about your genitals/your sexed body overall?

You (not you you) say your brain is like mine… okay? And? You’re still a whole ass male so your life experiences are nothing like mine (and vice versa for tm). I still have a female body and female issues and female rights that need to be protected. And since you have a ladybrain too, you should understand and respect that. Why are you contributing to the problems women already have? Why are you telling me what it is to be a woman?

That’s the thing lol- the fact that TW mansplain womanhood and sex to women (while undermining our rights) is so…

male

It’s so stereotypically male that the fact that they don’t see it just makes it more so

How narcissistic do you have to be to think that because you’ve convinced yourself that you have a gender identity, that that somehow matters more than the boundaries and equality of everyone else?

No other type of identity Or community does this.

[–]FlanJam[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But why would this make them different? They still aren’t identifying with anything the opposite sex can understand. So why should it matter to anyone but them? And to take it further, why should your brain change how I feel about your genitals/your sexed body overall?

It doesn't make sense to me either. I can understand why some may find comfort in the idea of gender-identity if they are uncomfortable with their sex. But then they make this massive leap to say gender-identity supersedes sex, and sex doesn't matter at all. This is the core issue with QT ideology imo. You can't just pretend sex doesn't exist when it such a big part of everyone's lives.

And since you have a ladybrain too, you should understand and respect that. Why are you contributing to the problems women already have? Why are you telling me what it is to be a woman?

That's the part that really bothers me. There seems to be no consideration, no sympathy for women. The Wi Spa incident was really a prime of example of how much they dont give a fuck.