QT, if gender is innate to identity

submitted by HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex from self.GCdebatesQT

sorted by:
top
newinsightfulfun
you are viewing a single comment's thread.

view the rest of the comments →

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I guess like my less charitable answer would be it’s because TW are men and TM are women. More charitably, you could say that trans people, especially those who were able to be straight passing, were socialized as their natal sex and will always be more like their natal sex because of that. Transwomen are over represented in male dominated professions and underrepresented in female ones for instance and majority of TW are gynophillic even though less than 10% of women are. I just don’t know how people ignore those things and believe TWAW or TMAM.

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

I guess like my less charitable answer would be it’s because TW are men and TM are women. More charitably, you could say that trans people, especially those who were able to be straight passing, were socialized as their natal sex and will always be more like their natal sex because of that.

I'm still not clear on why you think they are in those numbers though.

To be clear if there was no relationship between trans identities and sexuality it would be the same ratio as the gay to straight in the general population, no?

Maybe that's not the thing we are debating.

Why are there so many gnc (to their trans identity) trans people compared to the background population.

Transwomen are over represented in male dominated professions and underrepresented in female ones for instance and majority of TW are gynophillic even though less than 10% of women are. I just don’t know how people ignore those things and believe TWAW or TMAM.

So this is strong gender essentialism?

Transwomen who are androphilic and do female professions are the real women?

I'm not even getting into the TWAW or TMAM debate but you do see the implications of this. I say that as someone more on the essentialist side. I'm not sure you get all the implications here IMHO.

[–]peakingatthemomentTranssexual (natal male), HSTS 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm still not clear on why you think they are in those numbers though.

I feel like I don’t understand what you mean...

To be clear if there was no relationship between trans identities and sexuality it would be the same ratio as the gay to straight in the general population, no? Maybe that's not the thing we are debating.

Why are there so many gnc (to their trans identity) trans people compared to the background population.

Maybe I’m not understanding totally lol. I feel like I answered that! It’s because of socialization. If someone is socialized as a female and they transition they will probably still have some typically female behaviors or interests (for their society) because of that socialization. That seems to explain it to me. People can’t really change themselves even if they want to.

So this is strong gender essentialism?

I don’t think it is.

Transwomen who are androphilic and do female professions are the real women?

I don’t think that, but I do feel like it’s easier to fit in.

I'm not even getting into the TWAW or TMAM debate but you do see the implications of this. I say that as someone more on the essentialist side. I'm not sure you get all the implications here IMHO.

I don’t think talking about the effects of socialization is essentialist. Maybe the implication that it relates to TWAW or TMAM is a little essentialist. I guess I think about it this way because when I first starting questioning trans stuff (basically when I met trans people in real life) I was more essentialist in my thinking and noticing what seemed like something that didn’t make sense meant a lot to me. I probably don’t always think of implications in these conversations lol.