QT, if gender is innate to identity

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[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

So how exactly something subjective can be objective and "since birth", when during birth you are lacking cognition capabilities to understand that subjective in the first place? Especially considering that subjective about same objective fact is different for different people.

That's not evidence that the language trait isn't natural.

But language trait is not natural. That is why every language is so different, that is why we created languages like Mathemathics or Esperanto. Language exist to communicaate better and it changes depending on what people in that place decided to use as communication - and why alphabets are so different in different language families (asian, arabic, slavic, latin, etc). Humans are not born with understanding or knowledge of languages, we are slowly learning it with our surroundings, kids who were neglected and not heard language from parents and missed classes - can't communicate and it is hard to them to learn language later in life - like those examples of kids who grew up among animals.

Weirdly I thought the were always coded female but have become more unisex these days. That's just my perception of them.

Just 200 years ago in Europe leggings were "male aristocracy" only. And even more years ago shoes with high heels were for rich men only as well. If poor man or any woman wore them - they could be punished by death.

In ancient Roman Empire - all men were wearing dresses, and pants/troucers were only for women and slaves.

Even nowadays in some ethnicities it is like that - one African tribe have tradition that men are wearing make up and dresses and dancing in front of women, so women chose who is the prettiest from them. On some Oceanic islands it is similar.

So no, it is not "always coded" and not "genetic".

[–]theory_of_thisan actual straight crossdresser 3 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 6 fun -  (7 children)

So how exactly something subjective can be objective and "since birth", when during birth you are lacking cognition capabilities to understand that subjective in the first place? Especially considering that subjective about same objective fact is different for different people.

We can have innate tendencies, desires and thought patterns.

But language trait is not natural.

I think it is natural and I think most scientists on the subject believe language acquisition is innate. The absolute blank position is a minority. The debate it mostly over the degree.

That is why every language is so different, that is why we created languages like Mathemathics or Esperanto.

I would hold to the position that mathematics is discovered not created.

Language exist to communicaate better and it changes depending on what people in that place decided to use as communication - and why alphabets are so different in different language families (asian, arabic, slavic, latin, etc). Humans are not born with understanding or knowledge of languages, we are slowly learning it with our surroundings, kids who were neglected and not heard language from parents and missed classes - can't communicate and it is hard to them to learn language later in life - like those examples of kids who grew up among animals.

Humans are born with a natural ability to acquire language. Culture is a natural artefact of humans. Like a hive is to a bee. It is dysfunctional without it.

Just 200 years ago in Europe leggings were "male aristocracy" only. And even more years ago shoes with high heels were for rich men only as well. If poor man or any woman wore them - they could be punished by death.

I accept variations in cultural forms of gender. But all those cultures had gender forms.

In ancient Roman Empire - all men were wearing dresses, and pants/troucers were only for women and slaves.

Roman society very much had masculinity and femininity. They also had a minority of gender variant people also associated with same sex attraction.

Even nowadays in some ethnicities it is like that - one African tribe have tradition that men are wearing make up and dresses and dancing in front of women, so women chose who is the prettiest from them. On some Oceanic islands it is similar.

The Wodaabe still have gender norms. The Gerewol festival is a local expression of masculinity.

The women still express femininity.

Humans do express sexual selection. Men and women do choose.